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[YsTheAnt]

I'm heading down to LA soon and I was hoping that I would find some queens, but does anyone know if could bring them up to SF area on a plane (commercial)?

Edit: Sorry posted in wrong subforum. If someone would be so kind as to move this to anting I would greatly appreciate it!

Edited by YsTheAnt, February 25 2018 - 10:21 AM.

[Hunter]

yes for the 1000000000000 time you can not transport queens across state line by any means of transportation.

[Martialis]

yes for the 1000000000000 time you can not transport queens across state line by any means of transportation.

He isn't going interstate. California is big.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll have much luck getting them on a plane. Let alone finding something that isn't an argentine ant.

[Hunter]

 

yes for the 1000000000000 time you can not transport queens across state line by any means of transportation.

He isn't going interstate. California is big.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll have much luck getting them on a plane. Let alone finding something that isn't an argentine ant.

 

o my bad idk California counties

Edited by Hunter, February 25 2018 - 2:52 PM.

[Zmagz]

If the place where you are going and you are bringing the queens are in the same state, I believe it is legal.

Edited by Zmagz, February 25 2018 - 2:29 PM.

[Martialis]

If the place where you are going and you are bringing the queens are in the same state, I believe it is legal.

 

I was referring to the whole "taking a live animal as your carry-on" thing, mostly... I can't see that going well with TSA officers.

[drtrmiller]

Call them emotional support ants.

[Hunter]

Call them emotional support ants.

yea but who would want to make ant size vest for them to be support help?

Edited by Hunter, March 12 2018 - 7:32 AM.

[StopSpazzing]

Sick personally of this topic showing up over and over and over again. Going to do a linky in my signature to my response last time this showed up.

 

http://www.formicult...ers/#entry83376

Edited by StopSpazzing, February 25 2018 - 3:11 PM.

[YsTheAnt]

That's not what I'm asking. There is a difference between SHIPPING and BRINGING THEM on a plane with you. And I am well aware of the laws regarding interstate shipping hunter.
As for argentine ants, I'm going to Chaney Trail, there are Camponotus there.

Edited by YsTheAnt, February 25 2018 - 3:23 PM.

[nurbs]

Call them emotional support ants.

 

Interesting you should bring that up. Therapists have recommended ant farms as a therapeutic way for people to cope with certain mental and health issues. 

[Martialis]

That's not what I'm asking. There is a difference between SHIPPING and BRINGING THEM on a plane with you.

TSA doesn't like it when you have a dog on a plane, so why would an ant queen be any different?

[StopSpazzing]

updated my signature, please click it and enjoy your answer. If you want to argue, or have another question, please contact USDA.

 

Movement of native/endemic ants within a state is regulated by that state’s department of agriculture.  However, movement of native/endemic ants across state lines would require a USDA PPQ 526 plant pest permit.  These interstate permits generally do not require a formal containment evaluation, but that depends on the ant species.

Edited by StopSpazzing, February 25 2018 - 7:09 PM.

[YsTheAnt]

Since some people don't seem to want to help, or may just not understand my question, I'll rephrase it:

In CA, is it legal to move reproductive ants within state lines by air, via commercial airline?

No matter how many links you shoot out here, I'll let you know that I looked through all the posts regarding this, and none had an answer regarding MY QUESTION, I didn't ask what department regulates it, I asked WHAT DOES THAT DEPARTMENT LET ME DO. Please try to understand the question before becoming "sick" of people simply asking a question, StopSpazzing.

Edited by YsTheAnt, February 25 2018 - 4:13 PM.

[nurbs]

Not worth the hassle. You said you were heading to Chaney? I go to Chaney because it's close home, only 30 minutes away, but there's nothing unique or special about that place that you can't find in any other canyon mountainous foothill in California.

 

All the usual suspects at Chaney - L. occdentale, C. quericola, C, vicinus, C. sansabeanus, C. clarithorax, C. essigi, D. bicolor - with maybe the exception of C. sansabeanus, can be found in similar places up north. If you're hoping to find a C. yogi, you have equal chance of finding that in similar environments all over CA.

[Martialis]

Since some people don't seem to want to help, or may just not understand my question, I'll rephrase it:

In CA, is it legal to move reproductive ants within state lines by air, via commercial airline?

No matter how many links you shoot out here, I'll let you know that I looked through all the posts regarding this, and none had an answer regarding MY QUESTION, I didn't ask what department regulates it, I asked WHAT DOES THAT DEPARTMENT LET ME DO. Please try to understand the question before becoming "sick" of people simply asking a question, StopSpazzing.

I have answered your question several times: No.

 

 

Edited by Martialis, February 25 2018 - 4:59 PM.

[gcsnelling]

In California at least it is not legal to transport ants across county lines. Transport by air would qualify.

[nurbs]

In answer to your question, not sure what they would do, but if you have to ask it's probably not a good idea.

 

Here's a personal scenario one time with TSA. Had this $10 bottle of "travel size" hand moisturizer, about 6 inches tall. Thought it was fine. They looked at it and said it was past the legal size, because I could effectively squirt the moisturizer onto someone's face, blinding them for all of eternity, hijack the plane, and then cause it to crash with more moisturizer - so they confiscated it. 

 

What do you think would happen if these same TSA officers found and opened up a carton full of queens in test tube setups? 

 

Yeah, not worth the hassle 

 

 

[YsTheAnt]

Ok, thanks

[StopSpazzing]

Since some people don't seem to want to help, or may just not understand my question, I'll rephrase it:

In CA, is it legal to move reproductive ants within state lines by air, via commercial airline?

No matter how many links you shoot out here, I'll let you know that I looked through all the posts regarding this, and none had an answer regarding MY QUESTION, I didn't ask what department regulates it, I asked WHAT DOES THAT DEPARTMENT LET ME DO. Please try to understand the question before becoming "sick" of people simply asking a question, StopSpazzing.

No matter what we say here, none of us work for the USDA (that I am aware of). Please use the email provided in the link I posted (or in my signature) and contact the USDA for proper answers to questions of any legal matter, so you won't land in any trouble.  Last thing you would want is someone saying it's fine and they getting your queens confiscated, you know?

 

 

Side note: I think topics like this should be locked and linked to USDA website, to move liability from forum (and its users) to the user asking the question, personally.

Edited by StopSpazzing, February 25 2018 - 6:25 PM.