Jump to content

  • Gallery
  • Members
  • Member Map
  • Chat
  •  
  •  

Welcome to Formiculture.com!

This is a website for anyone interested in Myrmecology and all aspects of finding, keeping, and studying ants. The site and forum are free to use. Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation points to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!

Photo

What are the laws regarding moving ants across state lines when they are native to that location?

Started By FeedTheAnts , Oct 10 2017 11:36 AM

  • Please log in to reply
61 replies to this topic

#1 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 11:36 AM

FeedTheAnts

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,238 posts
  • LocationVirginia

See title

For instance, moving ants from KY to Virginia.


Edited by TennesseeAnts, October 10 2017 - 11:54 AM.

I accidentally froze all my ants 

#2 Offline drtrmiller - Posted October 10 2017 - 11:41 AM

drtrmiller

    Vendor

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,714 posts

Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line.


  • Batspiderfish, Martialis, Spamdy and 1 other like this


byFormica® is the manufacturer of the iconic nectar feeders and Sunburst Ant Nectar.
byFormica ant products always deliver consistent performance, convenience,
and reliability, making them among the most beloved ant foods and kit enjoyed by
ant keeping enthusiasts worldwide. For more information, visit www.byFormica.com.

#3 Offline nurbs - Posted October 10 2017 - 12:53 PM

nurbs

    Advanced Member

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,630 posts
  • LocationLos Angeles

Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line.

 

Just visualized a bunch of ants in single file marching across the state border.


  • Martialis likes this

Instagram:
nurbsants
 
YouTube
 
California Ants for Sale

 

Unidentified Myrmecocystus

https://www.formicul...ls-near-desert/

 

Undescribed "Modoc"

https://www.formicul...mp-ca-5-4-2017/

 

Camponotus or Colobopsis yogi:

https://www.formicul...a-ca-1-28-2018/

 
Camponotus us-ca02
https://www.formicul...onotus-us-ca02/

 

Unidentified Formica

https://www.formicul...l-ca-6-27-2020/

 
Pencil Case and Test Tube Formicariums
https://www.formicul...m-and-outworld/
 
Bloodworm Soup
https://www.formicul...bloodworm-soup/

#4 Offline Serafine - Posted October 10 2017 - 1:22 PM

Serafine

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,812 posts
  • LocationGermany

Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.


Edited by Serafine, October 10 2017 - 1:22 PM.

  • Evanthomas89 and Mettcollsuss like this

We should respect all forms of consciousness. The body is just a vessel, a mere hull.

Welcome to Lazy Tube - My Camponotus Journal

#5 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 2:46 PM

FeedTheAnts

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,238 posts
  • LocationVirginia

Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.

So, is this a illegal or okay opinion :thinking:


I accidentally froze all my ants 

#6 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 3:29 PM

Martialis

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,516 posts
  • LocationMississippi

 

Actually most ants don't walk. They just land on (or crawl into) commercial transport vehicles, let those drive (or swim or fly) over a border and then jump off.

Ants LOVE commercial trading, some species are real globetrotters.

So, is this a illegal or okay opinion :thinking:

 

Illegal, still.

 

 

Actually most ants don't walk. 

 

 Now I'm imagining a colony of ants which only move in wheelchairs and scooters.


Spoiler

#7 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:03 PM

B2-Bomber-Ants

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 24 posts

I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.


#8 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:09 PM

Martialis

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,516 posts
  • LocationMississippi

I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 


Spoiler

#9 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:11 PM

FeedTheAnts

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,238 posts
  • LocationVirginia

 

I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 

 

But again, what if the ants you are bringing to the state are already native their, and you have no intention of selling or releasing them.


I accidentally froze all my ants 

#10 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:13 PM

Martialis

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,516 posts
  • LocationMississippi

It's still illegal. They can still escape, and there's little beyond conventional methods that we can do to prevent that.


Spoiler

#11 Offline Spamdy - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:14 PM

Spamdy

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 333 posts
  • LocationHouston, Texas

 

 

I don't see it as an issue with it, don't ask don't tell. State Border Patrol has bigger issues to attend to.

While it may be true that they have "bigger issues," when is it okay to cause potential harm to native organisms through something as preventable as this? 

 

But again, what if the ants you are bringing to the state are already native their, and you have no intention of selling or releasing them.

 

Didn't Drtrmiller state that right off the bat "Doesn't matter whether they are native to the location they're being moved to.  All that matters is that an ant is crossing the state line?" The law is set in stone and there is no legal way around it unless you get a permit otherwise don't even try.


All my colonies are dead. 

 

 Except:

  

  Pogonomyrmex barbatus

  Pheidole obscurithorax

  Pheidole morens

#12 Offline Reacker - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:16 PM

Reacker

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 342 posts
  • LocationFree State of Greater Potatonia

Post deleted by user.  


Edited by Reacker, October 10 2017 - 4:16 PM.

  • LC3, Martialis and Nathant2131 like this

#13 Offline gcsnelling - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:25 PM

gcsnelling

    Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,686 posts

Again? Really??


  • dspdrew, nurbs, Martialis and 3 others like this

#14 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 4:35 PM

Martialis

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,516 posts
  • LocationMississippi

Yup.


Spoiler

#15 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted October 10 2017 - 5:17 PM

FeedTheAnts

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,238 posts
  • LocationVirginia

It's just that I've heard different info from different people, not starting any debate. As far as I care, I got the info I needed.


I accidentally froze all my ants 

#16 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted October 10 2017 - 5:50 PM

Batspiderfish

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,614 posts

Anybody telling you that moving ants across state borders without permission is ok or legal is not telling you the truth.


  • LC3 and Martialis like this

If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.

 

----

Black lives still matter.

#17 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:25 PM

B2-Bomber-Ants

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 24 posts

Its also illegal to go past the speed limit...sooo.......just do it


#18 Offline Martialis - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:41 PM

Martialis

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,516 posts
  • LocationMississippi

And what happens to those who speed? They get tickets. What happens to those who do so recklessly? Jail time.


Spoiler

#19 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted October 10 2017 - 6:47 PM

Batspiderfish

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,614 posts

Its also illegal to go past the speed limit...sooo.......just do it

 

Is that what servicemen are about? Breaking conservational law?


Edited by Batspiderfish, October 10 2017 - 6:50 PM.

  • LC3 and Martialis like this

If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.

 

----

Black lives still matter.

#20 Offline B2-Bomber-Ants - Posted October 10 2017 - 7:07 PM

B2-Bomber-Ants

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 24 posts

I don't see how or why it can be illegal if it's still in the same region of where the species live. Also, just because I was a serviceman doesn't mean I agree with all the laws that get put out there. There are plenty of retarded laws that exist and I feel this is one of them.


Back to General · Next Unread Topic →


2 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users