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Camponotus Queen taken from a log, was this wrong to do?


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#1 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 1 2017 - 8:26 AM

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So the other evening, I was in a local wooded area (northern New Jersey)  and decided to explore some fallen, rotting trees.  Looking under bark we found some termites, various beetles, pill bugs, fungi and then out of what seemed like the side of the wood, possibly underneath, to our surprise crawls a Camponotus queen (possibly chromaides or noveboracensis, not sure) , about 17mm in length.  We captured her, and searched the log and ground to see if we could find any sign that she had anything going on (eggs, larvae, workers, etc) and didn’t find anything although working/lighting conditions were not ideal (actually we found one ant which turned out to be a Lasius queen, but that is not directly relevant).

 

I was hesitant to take her because of the timing of the year, but we did since she seemed by herself and I figured it was possible there is natural variation among these organisms that would relate to timing of nuptial flights, etc.  She has been in a test tube set up.  Because I was concerned, I figured I would offer some food, sugar water, which she readily accepted.  I left her alone for a day or so, and checked again, and she has been pulling the cotton at the end of the test tube.   Today I offered her a portion of a cricket, which once again, is readily accepted. 

 

Is my venture here pointless?  I work under the assumption that she would not accept food if she was just starting to found a new colony, and she would only take food if she had already had workers.  Perhaps I missed something in the wood, and I have taken a queen that had already begun the process of founding?  Does anyone have any opinion or advice? 

 

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#2 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 1 2017 - 8:53 AM

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It's okay to take a queen from a log. My current queens (found in a log) only have 5 eggs, and they've been in their tubes for almost a month now. Since Camponotus brood grows slowly, there's a high chance that you didn't really miss anything important in the log.


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#3 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 1 2017 - 11:30 AM

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It's okay to take a queen from a log. My current queens (found in a log) only have 5 eggs, and they've been in their tubes for almost a month now. Since Camponotus brood grows slowly, there's a high chance that you didn't really miss anything important in the log.

Thanks for responding. I have been reading some of you posts and you seem to have a real good ability to find queens!

I guess my concern is that perhaps she had a couple of eggs andor larva in that wood, and because I interfered, she basically will "give up" and not produce new eggs. I could not find much information to see if that is the typical behavior. Also since she is tearing up the cotton ball and taking food, I thought maybe something was wrong. I may post a picture of her later, guess I could have made a mistake ino the ID

#4 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 1 2017 - 11:31 AM

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Here are some of the pictures I was talking about.  Unfortunately these do not show her having already pulled the cotton into a looser wispy mesh, but that is what she has been doing.  I'll have to add those later.  


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#5 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 1 2017 - 4:28 PM

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You got a beautiful C. Chromaiodes queen!

My Camponotus queens dig the cotton very often. Feeding her a small amount of honey may help her settle down.

Also, queens that I've kept have rarely "given up". Don't lose hope!

 

Also, thanks for the compliment :D.


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#6 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 2 2017 - 10:09 AM

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Thanks, I'll try some honey. I gave her a frozen cricket and she went to town on in, then put The exoskeleton behind her, so now I am worried about mold and bacteria growing. I tried to lure her into a new tube earlier today but she would not leave. I may have to take a more aggressive approach to moving her.

#7 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 2 2017 - 2:48 PM

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If she has no eggs, just take her out and put her in a ziplock bag. Then shake the tube until the corpse falls out. Wipe the sides with a napkin, and you're all set!


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#8 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 3 2017 - 6:56 PM

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I was able to clean out her chamber of the large debris. I guess that will have to be good enough. I also gave her a nice size drop of honey and she has swelled up a bit. Hopefully that puts her in a good mood.

The real excitement though happened this evening. Around 7 pm we went looking for more queens. What a day...on a sidewalk we found another Camponotis sp. female still with her wings on. She was all by herself and no visible colony swarm (not sure if Camponotis do this) nearby, so I am hopeful that she may have mated. Her wings were in perfect shape, like they had never been used. Most smaller ant queens I have seen look like they had been through a tornado. Then within a dozen meters we came across a Lasius swarm, which I was able to catch on video. That was just incredible to watch. We found some queens that had removed their wings in the general area. I need to take a closer look at them, but I guess they are probably L. murphyi.

#9 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 4 2017 - 4:32 PM

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Congrats on the queens!

Parasitic Citronella Lasius are very hard to keep, so I would recommend releasing them over a Lasius nest.

Also, you should join the New England anting thread: http://www.formicult...-thread/page-34


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#10 Offline Tyler_Fishman - Posted August 4 2017 - 4:51 PM

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I found a camponotus queen the other day on my sunflower, possibly eating pollen that had fallen on the leaves, I too live in north Jersey, we had a strom last night which always yeilds me with a queen in the morning, this morning I found F. Subsecria queen I also found a drone,I have to improvise with testubes, I'm all out :)
I found a camponotus queen the other day on my sunflower, possibly eating pollen that had fallen on the leaves, I too live in north Jersey, we had a strom last night which always yeilds me with a queen in the morning, this morning I found F. Subsecria queen I also found a drone,I have to improvise with testubes, I'm all out :)

#11 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 4 2017 - 4:52 PM

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Quite random, but still cool!
Congrats on the queens! Your Camponotus queen was probably just slurping up a bit of nectar. 


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#12 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 4 2017 - 6:55 PM

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Congrats on the queens!
Parasitic Citronella Lasius are very hard to keep, so I would recommend releasing them over a Lasius nest.
Also, you should join the New England anting thread: http://www.formicult...-thread/page-34


I read that thread, it is interesting. Seems like there are a lot of ants up there! It sounds like I need to find some tennis courts.

Yeh, I know about the Social parasites. That seems to be what I find the most. Murphyi I have found a great deal of, but after reading about them, I seem there is no point to try them and let them go. I found an a different type also, when I found the Camponotis in the log.

I would love to find a nice Formica or L. Niger or neoniger. I can't get a feel for when the Formica fly. As for neoniger, I guess it is a couple of week too early.

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I found a camponotus queen the other day on my sunflower, possibly eating pollen that had fallen on the leaves, I too live in north Jersey, we had a strom last night which always yeilds me with a queen in the morning, this morning I found F. Subsecria queen I also found a drone,I have to improvise with testubes, I'm all out :)I found a camponotus queen the other day on my sunflower, possibly eating pollen that had fallen on the leaves, I too live in north Jersey, we had a strom last night which always yeilds me with a queen in the morning, this morning I found F. Subsecria queen I also found a drone,I have to improvise with testubes, I'm all out :)


What county are you In? I am in Bergen. That's great you find a decent number, I have a bit of difficulty. It could be pesticide usage in this area maybe. What sort of areas are you finding them in? For me, what I have found as mentioned in this thread has all been in a school yard that has a small bordering wooded area. Most of what I find is just on the sidewalk, around 6:30 to 7:30 pm.

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I live in passaic county, I used to look on side walks but I haven't found any queens whilst looking on a side walk this year, I find most of my queens in the grass, or on plants, and I usually find lasius queens by flipping iver rocks, tetramorium queens I usually find on pavment near grass, and I almost always happen on camponotus by chance, and other species can be found in similar but always in the moring after a rain storm when the soil is soft. do you know of the trachymyrmex sp.? Apparently they are native to new jersey but I have found none in the past 7 years, they are a leaf cutter species and are very interesting

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#17 Offline ColKurtz - Posted August 5 2017 - 3:21 AM

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I live in passaic county, I used to look on side walks but I haven't found any queens whilst looking on a side walk this year, I find most of my queens in the grass, or on plants, and I usually find lasius queens by flipping iver rocks, tetramorium queens I usually find on pavment near grass, and I almost always happen on camponotus by chance, and other species can be found in similar but always in the moring after a rain storm when the soil is soft. do you know of the trachymyrmex sp.? Apparently they are native to new jersey but I have found none in the past 7 years, they are a leaf cutter species and are very interesting


I have not heard of trachmyrmex before now, but it sounds like something you would find only in sandy soil from what I searched briefly. They sound very cool.

Thank you for the tips. I have been searching mainly sidewalks because it is easier for me to see . When you search grass and plants, are you doing so right in the middle of a suburban neighborhood (lawns and gardens), or do you look in places like parks and school yards or near wooded areas like I have been trying?

#18 Offline Tyler_Fishman - Posted August 5 2017 - 4:27 AM

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Its more of Grass bordering a woodland where I live,that's where I search, but never hesitate to look under rocks, though you may find the occasional garter snake :)

#19 Offline Connectimyrmex - Posted August 5 2017 - 5:11 AM

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Formica fly all the time in the morning. Check after heavy rain.

Tyler Fishman, Trachymyrmex is incredible rare. Even if you find one, I would not recommend keeping it.


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#20 Offline Tyler_Fishman - Posted August 5 2017 - 10:35 AM

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I can tell, back when I lived in florida I found Trachymyrmex in every patch of sandy soil, in nj they are very elusive, why would you not recommend keeping them?

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