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Posted May 14 2017 - 4:35 AM
I'm seeing a lot of people in the chat room lately claiming they have permits to ship ants--some of them children even. I highly doubt anybody here would be able to get a permit to ship ants across State lines or in and out of the US, so it really sounds like someone is mistaken, or being fed disinformation, and in turn spreading it around the ant-keeping community.
If anyone would like to prove they have a permit, feel free to post it here.
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Posted May 14 2017 - 5:51 AM
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Posted May 14 2017 - 7:06 AM
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Uhm I don't know about the US but in Europe you can ship ants freely I think maybe they mean that?
Nope, shipping across state borders in the US is highly illegal and punishable by large fines.
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Posted May 14 2017 - 7:33 AM
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It would be completely irrelevant for a seller to have "shipping permits" -- if the person receiving cannot produce a valid APHIS importation permit, then both of you are breaking the law and violating the rules of the forum. This is a problem.
If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.
Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.
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Posted May 14 2017 - 1:48 PM
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There is a guy that is privatly chatting me telling me he wants to sell me queens by shipping
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Posted May 14 2017 - 5:21 PM
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Unless we know who they are, there's not much we can do with this information.There is a guy that is privatly chatting me telling me he wants to sell me queens by shipping
If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.
Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.
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Posted May 14 2017 - 9:04 PM
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There is a guy that is privatly chatting me telling me he wants to sell me queens by shipping
I would encourage you to stop talking to them as they are asking you to participate in something illegal in the US. Besides, its ant season and catching your queens is one of the best parts!
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Posted May 15 2017 - 9:50 AM
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Considering that states like California are considering making it illegal to collect ants or other insects without a permit, you are absolutely right. Poaching and trafficking are hurting everybody.
If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.
Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.
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Posted May 15 2017 - 10:03 AM
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Posted May 15 2017 - 10:09 AM
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I'd say have each one that is claiming they have it, produce actual proof. If and when they don't, ban them. They are blatantly lying and spreading false information at the benefit of themselves. They're completely ignoring the rules, and covering it up by saying they have a permit. To me, that is grounds for expulsion.
^ I second this. Though there is no age requirement, immaturity often leads to exaggerations of the truth or (now more prevalent) blatant lies and this should not be tolerated.
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Posted May 15 2017 - 11:20 AM
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Not to mention the amount of trouble these guys could land the recipient into. If they are in fact lying about possessing a permit, who's to say they're not lying and telling recipients it's legal for them to receive shipments across state lines? There's a lot of immaturity going on, and this is a very slippery slope we've come to. I really think you should nip this in the butt.
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Posted May 15 2017 - 12:49 PM
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Even for an ecologist associated with a university, like myself, getting approval to move wildlife which requires any sort of permit is a painstaking, often months-long process which varies based on location and taxa. Applying for a permit to move such animals requires sender and receiver information as well as what's being moved, how many, and why.
No one is going to have some "general use" or "open-ended" permit to move wildlife, and anyone not associated with a research institution participating in active research on the animal listed in the permit application, e.g., hobbyists, probably wouldn't be approved anyway.
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