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Lasius? Nylanderia? Queen ID, Pensacola FL


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#1 Offline Aaron567 - Posted May 1 2017 - 4:56 PM

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Checked the pool today and found some Pheidole queens, along with this unknown queen that I haven't seen since last year.

 

Size: 6mm

Location: Pensacola, Florida

 

Her wings have a partly black tint to them. She may be infertile but I'm gonna keep her just in case.

There are Nylanderia (That's what I think they are) colonies in the woods behind my house which is why I think Nylanderia is a possibility. But, I don't think the head shape really looks like it.

 

She looks kinda like Lasius but I've never seen a Lasius colony or queen before. 

 

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#2 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted May 1 2017 - 5:20 PM

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Looks like a Lasius Social Parasite to me. Not sure what species, I usually don't bother with them.



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#3 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 1 2017 - 5:21 PM

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I think you are absolutely right, this queen reminds me very much of a Lasius interjectus queen. These are social parasites, so you may want to read up on it here.



#4 Offline Nathant2131 - Posted May 2 2017 - 2:37 AM

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It looks like Lasius interjectus but the dark coloring is really throwing me off. The Lasius Parasites CAN vary quite a lot in color though, so interjectus is quite possible. There are quite a few theories on how this species-group changes in color so much.

#5 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted May 2 2017 - 4:59 AM

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Wow! This is actually Lasius umbratus (or a close, undescribed relative). I's very rare to see them fly at this time of the year -- could be a trait of the Florida populations.


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#6 Offline Bracchymyrmex - Posted May 2 2017 - 7:44 AM

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Doubt it flew recently, probably overwintered.



#7 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted May 2 2017 - 8:37 AM

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If she has wings, she probably did fly recently.


If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

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#8 Offline Aaron567 - Posted May 2 2017 - 1:37 PM

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Doubt it flew recently, probably overwintered.

 

She definitely just flew. I found her in the pool. Also just found another one in the pool dead a few minutes ago. This is the time of the year where lots of species (Pheidole, Camponotus, Brachymyrmex) start having their flights.



#9 Offline Aaron567 - Posted May 2 2017 - 1:41 PM

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Wow! This is actually Lasius umbratus (or a close, undescribed relative). I's very rare to see them fly at this time of the year -- could be a trait of the Florida populations.

 

I have seen several species this year flying a lot earlier than online sources say they do. I found my Camponotus floridanus queen in February. It's pretty interesting  :)



#10 Offline Spamdy - Posted May 2 2017 - 3:03 PM

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Aaron, do you hibernate your ants, we both live near the equator and was curious if you do. I live in Houston Texas.


All my colonies are dead. 

 

 Except:

  

  Pogonomyrmex barbatus

  Pheidole obscurithorax

  Pheidole morens


#11 Offline Aaron567 - Posted May 2 2017 - 3:21 PM

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Aaron, do you hibernate your ants, we both live near the equator and was curious if you do. I live in Houston Texas.

 

I've only been keeping ants for a year, but this past winter I did not hibernate any of mine. I only have five colonies at the moment, and I don't think any of the species I have absolutely need to hibernate. There are some ants in my area that do need hibernation, so if I get colonies of those then I will hibernate them.



#12 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 2 2017 - 5:08 PM

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Wow! This is actually Lasius umbratus (or a close, undescribed relative). I's very rare to see them fly at this time of the year -- could be a trait of the Florida populations.

 

How do you know it's L. umbratus? I'm not questioning your methods (you know, being the king of all things Lasius-related, and all), but I am curious to see how you ruled out L. interjectus and L. claviger.



#13 Offline Batspiderfish - Posted May 2 2017 - 5:18 PM

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Wow! This is actually Lasius umbratus (or a close, undescribed relative). I's very rare to see them fly at this time of the year -- could be a trait of the Florida populations.

 

How do you know it's L. umbratus? I'm not questioning your methods (you know, being the king of all things Lasius-related, and all), but I am curious to see how you ruled out L. interjectus and L. claviger.

 

 

Both of those species, and all members of the Acanthomyops subgenus, are covered in many long hairs. Lasius umbratus is covered in fine, appressed pubescence.


If you've enjoyed using my expertise and identifications, please do not create undue ecological risk by releasing your ants. The environment which we keep our pet insects is alien and oftentimes unsanitary, so ensure that wild populations stay safe by giving your ants the best care you can manage for the rest of their lives, as we must do with any other pet.

 

Exotic ants are for those who think that vibrant diversity is something you need to pay money to see. It is illegal to transport live ants across state lines.

 

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#14 Offline Nathant2131 - Posted May 3 2017 - 2:46 AM

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Wow! This is actually Lasius umbratus (or a close, undescribed relative). I's very rare to see them fly at this time of the year -- could be a trait of the Florida populations.


Interesting!




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