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[gcsnelling]

Well it is obvious that this thread has been badly derailed and there is no changing the mind of someone so set on defending the continued potential habitat degradation being discussed here. Far as I am concerned this thread is done for.

[Solenoqueen]

This thread is going to get nerfed. No reason to explain why.
 

If releasing native ants back to the place they came from is so bad people should be screaming in agony about those billions of invasive organisms flushed into the bays, seas and rivers by literally every large ship entering a port. If the same had happened to our land what has happened to our rivers and seas during the last 50 years we'd think we live on Mars by now...

Our repeated offenses against the environment in one area are not at all a justification for additional offenses in other areas. 
 
Not that you seem to care. I get the impression that you will continue to do whatever you want to the environment regardless of how increasingly ridiculous and incoherent your justifications have to become so that you do not require yourself to change your own behavior. Bad actors such as yourself are the reason that environmental regulations come to be.

Serafine: I don't care if it is a native species that is brought back to the place it was caught from as long as it isn't obviously sick. People don't give a [censored] what they plant in their gardens here anyway, the count of exotic plants is ridiculous, and more and more of them successfully do the jump over the fence.
 
Aside that I come from Europe and do you seriously believe we still have anything that qualifies as untouched nature in Europe ANYWHERE? The entirety of Europe is a domesticated land that has been shaped by humans for CENTURIES. If we hadn't touched anything Europe would be one single beech wood.
 
Also ecosystems are not set in stone, they change and adapt. If we meant it seriously with preservation (which is destined to fail anyway) we would have to eradicate all of the racoons in our cities (they have become as common as rats), eliminate all great grey parrots in the city of Worms, shoot all the parakeets in Stuttgart, murder all Reahs in Meck-Pom (which isn't even allowed because they are an endangered species), seek out and kill all the Wallabees in german woods (which is most likely forbidden as well), etc. etc., the list is pretty much endless. And that's just land-based stuff, if we want to change our rivers back to what they once where we would have to kill 99% of all life in them and completely start from scratch.
I doubt a single native colony released into the wild can even change a single pixel of this turbulent everchanging picture.
 
 

Bad actors such as yourself are the reason that environmental regulations come to be.

Serafine: And obviously they are totally working. RIFA must be super impressed judging from the speed at which they conquer the land with the strongest ant regulations.

 

If releasing native ants back to the place they came from is so bad people should be screaming in agony about those billions of invasive organisms flushed into the bays, seas and rivers by literally every large ship entering a port. If the same had happened to our land what has happened to our rivers and seas during the last 50 years we'd think we live on Mars by now...

 
Ecologists are actually screaming in agony over this stuff.

 
Serafine: I know, I studied that stuff for some years. However at least in Germany they don't really scream anymore because it is too late anyway. We purged most of our rivers from the 50s to the 70s and when re-naturalization processes were started there wasn't much of a native ecosystem left anyway, so anything that works and is sort of stable is fine here.
 
 
You have gotta watch your language. I still think you can do better, so next time will be a report.
 
And, if that one colony of invasive species became big, I am pretty sure it will set the ecosystem off track. If it starts killing other colonies, which most do succeed in doing with the different conditions regulated in the invaded land.
 
This breaks a couple rules, including the spelling rule and the cussing rule. I'll let dspdrew do the rest.
 
Sorry, I had to split your dialogue. The text box limit made me.

Edited by dspdrew, December 22 2016 - 12:03 AM.
Removed profanity

[Serafine]

Lol.

 

And, if that one colony of invasive species became big, I am pretty sure it will set the ecosystem off track. If it starts killing other colonies, which most do succeed in doing with the different conditions regulated in the invaded land.

 

This topic isn't about an invasive species, it is about a NATIVE species, probably one that was picked up right in the area where it would be released.

Considering how much "original nature" there is left in Europe (NONE) that's a non-issue compared to what is going on at other fronts (Argentine ants anyone?).

Edited by Serafine, November 27 2016 - 1:11 PM.

[Kevin]

I can't, and do not want to side with anyone here, but solenoqueen, saying a single curse word isn't going to get anyone banned. The posts you're making fall under this rule:

"4. No posting any spam messages, including excessive posting of messages that add little to no value to the topic of conversation."

 

I suggest you disregard Serafine's rule-breaking messages, it's not helping the topic.

[Solenoqueen]

I can't, and do not want to side with anyone here, but solenoqueen, saying a single curse word isn't going to get anyone banned. The posts you're making fall under this rule:

"4. No posting any spam messages, including excessive posting of messages that add little to no value to the topic of conversation."

 

I suggest you disregard Serafine's rule-breaking messages, it's not helping the topic.

 

Just saying, that is not spam(not consecutively repetitive), 2 posts is not excessive, and while I did comment about Serafine's language, I also did equivalently talk about releasing ants in general, the topic of this discussion. Get out all the fun you can get out of that post, but I did not break that rule one bit.

 

 

Lol.

 

And, if that one colony of invasive species became big, I am pretty sure it will set the ecosystem off track. If it starts killing other colonies, which most do succeed in doing with the different conditions regulated in the invaded land.

 

This topic isn't about an invasive species, it is about a NATIVE species, probably one that was picked up right in the area where it would be released.

Considering how much "original nature" there is left in Europe (NONE) that's a non-issue compared to what is going on at other fronts (Argentine ants anyone?).

What if? Just in general. If he misplaces the colony, it might be a problem. He probably did not, but if it was invasive, it could have spread all over, which is what you did talk about in another quote, another one that you posted yourself. Good point, though, I agree with you, but I don't side with anyone.