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#1 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 2 2016 - 4:18 PM

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This is about a website I work with. I'm actually a owner of the website. Some people may have heard that we don't do things legally, but we make sure that everything is legal.

We are called CyberPets. We supply people with ants, ant formicaria, even ant and reptile food.

We have a program lots like Antscanada's GAN Project, except you can ship ants. However, you cannot ship over borders.

We are always hoping to get new stuff out on the store, and we will eventually sell lots more.

We have a Formica Genus nest, which is looking pretty good.

We are working on the Ant Mailing Train (not queens) info about that exciting event will be out soon.

We sell test tubes also. Most stuff at our store is not expensive.

http://friendlyantho...rpetsformicaria

Remember, we aren't an illegal ant trading website, so this shouldn't be against the rules. :)


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#2 Offline Kevin - Posted November 3 2016 - 2:32 AM

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Hi anthony,

I thought everyone said to improve the nest before sale? Isn't the one in the picture the one that killed two colonies? It looks unfinished, and no offense, ugly. How is that a formica nest when you have only 6 ovals? There's nothing about it that makes it look like a formica nest. I don't even see a watering chamber. I suggest you take drew's advice from one of the last threads you made and research more before you rush this out. The website is also unprofessional, and looks like it was just thrown together. None of the catagorys work.

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#3 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 3 2016 - 3:14 AM

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Kevin, the nest that 'killed two colonies' was never up there. And that is kind of why it's not up there... It wasn't 2 also. One queen and a few of the workers died, but workers and brood were left. We don't sell that one...

It's a Formica nest because that's how Formica like their chambers.
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#4 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 3 2016 - 3:15 AM

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It absorbs water. So you just take a syringe and moisten it.


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#5 Offline Alabama Anter - Posted November 3 2016 - 4:34 AM

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Hi anthony,

I thought everyone said to improve the nest before sale? Isn't the one in the picture the one that killed two colonies? It looks unfinished, and no offense, ugly. How is that a formica nest when you have only 6 ovals? There's nothing about it that makes it look like a formica nest. I don't even see a watering chamber. I suggest you take drew's advice from one of the last threads you made and research more before you rush this out. The website is also unprofessional, and looks like it was just thrown together. None of the catagorys work.

I thought we were going to fix that...

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#7 Offline Kevin - Posted November 3 2016 - 11:26 AM

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Well you see, no ant nest is ever going to be perfectly symmetrical like that. That is indeed the nest that killed the colony, joseph said himself. Also, grout is not the most absorptive material in the world, and just wetting the outside of the formicarium in not going to do you much good. It also will not allow for precise humidity selection.


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#8 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 3 2016 - 12:04 PM

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Well you see, no ant nest is ever going to be perfectly symmetrical like that. That is indeed the nest that killed the colony, joseph said himself. Also, grout is not the most absorptive material in the world, and just wetting the outside of the formicarium in not going to do you much good. It also will not allow for precise humidity selection.

the formicaria that 'killed' the colony, was a different one. The colony was already losing workers, and he moved them there to see if it would change anything.


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#9 Offline Reacker - Posted November 3 2016 - 2:21 PM

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Their previous attempt at launching an ant store was discussed here:

 

http://www.formicult...0-cyberantscom/

 

Picture of their sole formicarium as discussed in the above thread, as it appeared on their first site:

gallery_10_657_55690.png

 

 

Changing your store's name and website does not do anything to address the criticisms of your venture. Nobody will purchase a broken formicarium, crudely constructed and seemingly reconstructed as it appears to be, regardless of what suffix you attach to "Cyber".


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#10 Offline Enderz - Posted November 3 2016 - 2:36 PM

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Their previous attempt at launching an ant store was discussed here:

 

http://www.formicult...0-cyberantscom/

 

Picture of their sole formicarium as discussed in the above thread, as it appeared on their first site:

gallery_10_657_55690.png

 

 

Changing your store's name and website does not do anything to address the criticisms of your venture. Nobody will purchase a broken formicarium, crudely constructed and seemingly reconstructed as it appears to be, regardless of what suffix you attach to "Cyber".

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#11 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 3 2016 - 3:08 PM

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We changed it because we didn't want to sell only ant things, we wanted to sell any food, and more.


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#12 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted November 3 2016 - 3:10 PM

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It's the same thing, I didn't know he made a topic there. We're the same company, so that "attempt" of a company is still going.

Crudely constructed? I would like to know what you think is wrong with the formicarium.


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#13 Offline Reacker - Posted November 3 2016 - 3:54 PM

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Congratulations on starting a business! More companies making quality ant keeping products is always a welcome sight and I wish you guys the best.

 

However, you may want to do some more refinement of your designs for your first product. I see several major flaws with your formicarium design that I believe would discourage most or all potential buyers from purchasing it. 

 

http://friendlyantho...ce-f3aa0272ea4b

 

1) It's already clearly cracking apart, and it sort of looks like you tried to glue it back together without much success. If I were willing to overlook any of the other flaws that I'm about to discuss, I still would be very hesitant about buying because it's not at all clear to me that the nest would show up in one piece. 

 

2) The finish is extremely rough. It looks like ants wouldn't have trouble escaping out from under the glass in literally every direction. There doesn't seem to be anything holding the glass down either.

 

3) There's no way to water it in a way that won't make a giant mess. 

 

4) The ants also look they can escape where the tubing meets the plaster.

 

5) It just doesn't look very good. Certainly no where close to $25+Shipping good. 

 

6) You're not price competitive with other retailers. In your price range there are dramatically better options that are clearly better thought out with more refinement an consideration for the practicalities of ant keeping. See The following 3 nests from TarHeel and Antscanada ranging from $18-$50 (your price range of $25). Ask yourself, why would someone purchase your formicarium over the 3 below? Can you personally justify to yourself buying your nest instead of the atom or inception nests?

 

https://tarheelants....cts/atom-nest-b

 

https://tarheelants....-chamber-3-inch

 

http://www.antscanad...rid-nest-small/

 

 

My overall assessment is that your product looks like not just the first version of your design, but literally the very first formicarium that you've ever made. While I definitely think that it's possible for a new ant store to be successful, I believe that you may have to rethink think your level of commitment to Research and Development before you can begin to have competitive offerings. 

 

 

Good luck!

 

 

Points 5 and 6 still apply even at your current lower price of $16. You need to do more work on prototyping, this grout nest is simply not good enough to sell. It is my understanding that you are kids with limited access to funds and materials. I suggest that you work on getting more money so that you can afford to iterate over several prototypes until you are able to meet minimal standards of quality.

 

Starting a business is expensive in both time and money, particularly when you are selling a physical product. You need to be able to make iteration after iteration of your product until you find one that works. Even if you're efficient about this it can still be costly. You'll also need to thoroughly test anything that you come up with by keeping actual ant colonies in them for many months to make sure that they'll hold up over the long term. After all of that you then somehow have to price your formicarium at such a point that you think it was worthwhile to have spent that money making prototypes, and expending the many, many hours that you spent creating and testing, and have that price be at a point that people think it's worth paying for what you're offering. 

 

I think you kids can go through that process and come up with something good enough to sell at a reasonable price, and I think that you can do it at a lower cost than the adults you're competing with because they have adult living expenses and you have none. You're not anywhere close to that point though, and it will take a lot of work to get there. Trying to sell what you have at the point you're at now will earn you nothing but derision from the formicarium makers that actually do go through all of the effort I listed above, even if they won't say so by making such an upfront post in public as I am. You also don't earn any good will from the community when you have Alabama Anter, your cofounder, speaking derisively about other ants stores and their prices (which to adults with an actual income, who are doing nearly all of the buying of these things regardless of the age of the intended recipient, is not that much money) and being generally unpleasant while you guys are light years behind the offerings of the other ants stores. 

 

 

 


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I could not agree with Reacker more.  :)


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Congratulations on starting a business! More companies making quality ant keeping products is always a welcome sight and I wish you guys the best.

However, you may want to do some more refinement of your designs for your first product. I see several major flaws with your formicarium design that I believe would discourage most or all potential buyers from purchasing it.


http://friendlyantho...ce-f3aa0272ea4b


1) It's already clearly cracking apart, and it sort of looks like you tried to glue it back together without much success. If I were willing to overlook any of the other flaws that I'm about to discuss, I still would be very hesitant about buying because it's not at all clear to me that the nest would show up in one piece.


2) The finish is extremely rough. It looks like ants wouldn't have trouble escaping out from under the glass in literally every direction. There doesn't seem to be anything holding the glass down either.


3) There's no way to water it in a way that won't make a giant mess.


4) The ants also look they can escape where the tubing meets the plaster.


5) It just doesn't look very good. Certainly no where close to $25+Shipping good.


6) You're not price competitive with other retailers. In your price range there are dramatically better options that are clearly better thought out with more refinement an consideration for the practicalities of ant keeping. See The following 3 nests from TarHeel and Antscanada ranging from $18-$50 (your price range of $25). Ask yourself, why would someone purchase your formicarium over the 3 below? Can you personally justify to yourself buying your nest instead of the atom or inception nests?


https://tarheelants....cts/atom-nest-b


https://tarheelants....-chamber-3-inch


http://www.antscanad...rid-nest-small/



My overall assessment is that your product looks like not just the first version of your design, but literally the very first formicarium that you've ever made. While I definitely think that it's possible for a new ant store to be successful, I believe that you may have to rethink think your level of commitment to Research and Development before you can begin to have competitive offerings.



Good luck!


Points 5 and 6 still apply even at your current lower price of $16. You need to do more work on prototyping, this grout nest is simply not good enough to sell. It is my understanding that you are kids with limited access to funds and materials. I suggest that you work on getting more money so that you can afford to iterate over several prototypes until you are able to meet minimal standards of quality.

Starting a business is expensive in both time and money, particularly when you are selling a physical product. You need to be able to make iteration after iteration of your product until you find one that works. Even if you're efficient about this it can still be costly. You'll also need to thoroughly test anything that you come up with by keeping actual ant colonies in them for many months to make sure that they'll hold up over the long term. After all of that you then somehow have to price your formicarium at such a point that you think it was worthwhile to have spent that money making prototypes, and expending the many, many hours that you spent creating and testing, and have that price be at a point that people think it's worth paying for what you're offering.

I think you kids can go through that process and come up with something good enough to sell at a reasonable price, and I think that you can do it at a lower cost than the adults you're competing with because they have adult living expenses and you have none. You're not anywhere close to that point though, and it will take a lot of work to get there. Trying to sell what you have at the point you're at now will earn you nothing but derision from the formicarium makers that actually do go through all of the effort I listed above, even if they won't say so by making such an upfront post in public as I am. You also don't earn any good will from the community when you have Alabama Anter, your cofounder, speaking derisively about other ants stores and their prices (which to adults with an actual income, who are doing nearly all of the buying of these things regardless of the age of the intended recipient, is not that much money) and being generally unpleasant while you guys are light years behind the offerings of the other ants stores.
Thank u Reaker! We will keep this in mind! Wish us luck!

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Ummm Solo, Me, Anthony, EdgarFromLatvia, and Justin

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