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#1 Offline Justicarab - Posted September 30 2016 - 9:03 PM

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out of all the queens i captured (20ish, 18 from a pool). only 1 has laid a good pile of eggs, i believe it was the one i dug up(i did not recover her brood, so i think she laid a fresh batch) two others just laid 1 or two eggs, or they might have just ate them all. the rest refuse to lay(after about 2.5 weeks). the none-laying queens seem to die off one at a time. out of them all, only are 7 left.

 

does this mean that all my hope this year lies with that single queen?

 

considering that this is her second attempt/batch, should i feed her? i can imagine that she is running low on energy. can i give her honey, uncooked chicken, cooked chicken, or a half dead cricket? 

 

i'll be honest, i pulled them out and disturb them 3-4 times already. mostly to check up on them.

could this be the cause of the others not laying?

 

how many queens do ya'll catch and lay to guarantee one healthy colony?

 

I've been really excited to get my first colony, so if these queens are doomed, i will entertain the thought of buying one.



#2 Offline Mdrogun - Posted September 30 2016 - 9:12 PM

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out of all the queens i captured (20ish, 18 from a pool). only 1 has laid a good pile of eggs, i believe it was the one i dug up(i did not recover her brood, so i think she laid a fresh batch) two others just laid 1 or two eggs, or they might have just ate them all. the rest refuse to lay(after about 2.5 weeks). the none-laying queens seem to die off one at a time. out of them all, only are 7 left.

 

does this mean that all my hope this year lies with that single queen?

 

considering that this is her second attempt/batch, should i feed her? i can imagine that she is running low on energy. can i give her honey, uncooked chicken, cooked chicken, or a half dead cricket? 

 

i'll be honest, i pulled them out and disturb them 3-4 times already. mostly to check up on them.

could this be the cause of the others not laying?

 

how many queens do ya'll catch and lay to guarantee one healthy colony?

 

I've been really excited to get my first colony, so if these queens are doomed, i will entertain the thought of buying one.

It sounds like you just have bad luck. I would imagine that all of the queens landing in your pool were infertile that would explain the dying and each only laying 1 egg or so. It sounds like you did only get 1 good queen. She will probably survive though. As far as feeding the queen goes you can give her a tiny drop of honey, make sure it won't mold, and you could try giving her a cricket leg but I would recommend you don't. It sounds like she isn't very hungry and if you try and feed her protein she could decide to eat all her eggs.


Edited by Mdrogun, September 30 2016 - 9:12 PM.

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#3 Offline Justicarab - Posted September 30 2016 - 9:22 PM

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out of all the queens i captured (20ish, 18 from a pool). only 1 has laid a good pile of eggs, i believe it was the one i dug up(i did not recover her brood, so i think she laid a fresh batch) two others just laid 1 or two eggs, or they might have just ate them all. the rest refuse to lay(after about 2.5 weeks). the none-laying queens seem to die off one at a time. out of them all, only are 7 left.

 

does this mean that all my hope this year lies with that single queen?

 

considering that this is her second attempt/batch, should i feed her? i can imagine that she is running low on energy. can i give her honey, uncooked chicken, cooked chicken, or a half dead cricket? 

 

i'll be honest, i pulled them out and disturb them 3-4 times already. mostly to check up on them.

could this be the cause of the others not laying?

 

how many queens do ya'll catch and lay to guarantee one healthy colony?

 

I've been really excited to get my first colony, so if these queens are doomed, i will entertain the thought of buying one.

It sounds like you just have bad luck. I would imagine that all of the queens landing in your pool were infertile that would explain the dying and each only laying 1 egg or so. It sounds like you did only get 1 good queen. She will probably survive though. As far as feeding the queen goes you can give her a tiny drop of honey, make sure it won't mold, and you could try giving her a cricket leg but I would recommend you don't. It sounds like she isn't very hungry and if you try and feed her protein she could decide to eat all her eggs.

 

it's ok, i did decide to find queens late in the game, mid September.

 

alright, i will not put protein anywhere near her lol.

 

how can you tell that she isn't that hunger?

 

should i just chunk the other queens? or should i just keep them to see if i get surprised?



#4 Offline Justicarab - Posted September 30 2016 - 9:32 PM

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Side note, my appartment is at 69-72 degrees, becuase my wife is crazy. I placed them in a closet covered by 2 towels and a pillow. Does this help at all? Could this be the cause of my misfortunes?

#5 Offline MichiganAnts - Posted September 30 2016 - 9:47 PM

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it all depends, what species do you have?


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I have never seen a queen outside if it''s nest and not catch it
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#7 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 1 2016 - 8:41 AM

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the species is solenopsis invicta



#8 Offline Mdrogun - Posted October 1 2016 - 8:50 AM

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Side note, my appartment is at 69-72 degrees, becuase my wife is crazy. I placed them in a closet covered by 2 towels and a pillow. Does this help at all? Could this be the cause of my misfortunes?

Unfortunately ants are cold blooded so this hasn't done anything. Most people keep their Solenopsis invicta near 90 degrees 69-72 is way too cold this could be one of your problems. I would recommend you buy a heating mat.

 

I use this one:

 

https://www.amazon.c...ywords=heat mat

 

I like it because you can adjust the temperature for your ants.

 

I would still hold on to all of your queens. You never know, they might surprise you.

 

 

I can tell she isn't hungry because she was willing to lay a nice batch of eggs. Btw is she tugging at the cotton?


Edited by Mdrogun, October 1 2016 - 8:50 AM.

Currently Keeping:
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Pheidole pilifera

Forelius sp. (Monogynous, bicolored) "Midwestern Forelius"
Crematogaster cerasi

Pheidole bicarinata

Aphaenogaster rudis

Camponotus chromaiodes

Formica sp. (microgena species)

Nylanderia cf. arenivega


#9 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 1 2016 - 11:42 AM

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Side note, my appartment is at 69-72 degrees, becuase my wife is crazy. I placed them in a closet covered by 2 towels and a pillow. Does this help at all? Could this be the cause of my misfortunes?

Unfortunately ants are cold blooded so this hasn't done anything. Most people keep their Solenopsis invicta near 90 degrees 69-72 is way too cold this could be one of your problems. I would recommend you buy a heating mat.

 

I use this one:

 

https://www.amazon.c...ywords=heat mat

 

I like it because you can adjust the temperature for your ants.

 

I would still hold on to all of your queens. You never know, they might surprise you.

 

 

I can tell she isn't hungry because she was willing to lay a nice batch of eggs. Btw is she tugging at the cotton?

 

i know a few of them were but she wasn't. i know people say don't disturb them. is checking on them once a week ok?



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Yeah that is okay, I remember checking my first queen almost twice per day but I still don't recommend doing what I did.
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#11 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 1 2016 - 4:00 PM

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Yeah that is okay, I remember checking my first queen almost twice per day but I still don't recommend doing what I did.

What does pulling on the cotton mean?

Lol I really really want to just watch them all day but I know that's bad

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Yeah that is okay, I remember checking my first queen almost twice per day but I still don't recommend doing what I did.

What does pulling on the cotton mean?

Lol I really really want to just watch them all day but I know that's bad

 

pulling on cotton as if they are trying to escape, it means they are hungry and need food


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Camponotus Noveboracensis

 

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#13 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 2 2016 - 7:26 AM

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Yeah that is okay, I remember checking my first queen almost twice per day but I still don't recommend doing what I did.

What does pulling on the cotton mean?

Lol I really really want to just watch them all day but I know that's bad

 

pulling on cotton as if they are trying to escape, it means they are hungry and need food

 

so honey is good enough?



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Probably but protein should be provided as well in case
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#15 Offline Works4TheGood - Posted October 2 2016 - 9:33 AM

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Temperature is the likely culprit.  Target 78F.
Some species won't lay unless there's substrate in the test tube.  Have your queen IDed.
Perhaps the chlorine reacted with the ants?  Probably not though since I've rescued tiny public pool ants before.
Ideally, you want to leave them totally undisturbed until their first nanitic is at least several days old.  Negligence is key here; enjoy it while it's encouraged!
Whether or not you should attempt to feed them depends very heavily on the species (fully/semi clausteral?), so have your queen IDed.
... it's probably a variety of several factors.
 
I wouldn't buy a queen.  Once you get the pattern down, and you will, you'll have so many colonies that you can't possibly keep up with them (my case :( ).

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#16 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 2 2016 - 1:13 PM

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Temperature is the likely culprit.  Target 78F.
Some species won't lay unless there's substrate in the test tube.  Have your queen IDed.
Perhaps the chlorine reacted with the ants?  Probably not though since I've rescued tiny public pool ants before.
Ideally, you want to leave them totally undisturbed until their first nanitic is at least several days old.  Negligence is key here; enjoy it while it's encouraged!
Whether or not you should attempt to feed them depends very heavily on the species (fully/semi clausteral?), so have your queen IDed.
... it's probably a variety of several factors.
 
I wouldn't buy a queen.  Once you get the pattern down, and you will, you'll have so many colonies that you can't possibly keep up with them (my case :( ).

 

the species is solenopsis invicta. does that help or change anything? what are your thoughts.



#17 Offline Justicarab - Posted October 2 2016 - 1:23 PM

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Side note, my appartment is at 69-72 degrees, becuase my wife is crazy. I placed them in a closet covered by 2 towels and a pillow. Does this help at all? Could this be the cause of my misfortunes?

Unfortunately ants are cold blooded so this hasn't done anything. Most people keep their Solenopsis invicta near 90 degrees 69-72 is way too cold this could be one of your problems. I would recommend you buy a heating mat.

 

I use this one:

 

https://www.amazon.c...ywords=heat mat

 

I like it because you can adjust the temperature for your ants.

 

I would still hold on to all of your queens. You never know, they might surprise you.

 

 

I can tell she isn't hungry because she was willing to lay a nice batch of eggs. Btw is she tugging at the cotton?

 

i just bought the heat pad, but i can't tell what temp it is at. any advice?



#18 Offline Works4TheGood - Posted October 2 2016 - 3:42 PM

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Temperature is the likely culprit.  Target 78F.
Some species won't lay unless there's substrate in the test tube.  Have your queen IDed.
Perhaps the chlorine reacted with the ants?  Probably not though since I've rescued tiny public pool ants before.
Ideally, you want to leave them totally undisturbed until their first nanitic is at least several days old.  Negligence is key here; enjoy it while it's encouraged!
Whether or not you should attempt to feed them depends very heavily on the species (fully/semi clausteral?), so have your queen IDed.
... it's probably a variety of several factors.
 
I wouldn't buy a queen.  Once you get the pattern down, and you will, you'll have so many colonies that you can't possibly keep up with them (my case :( ).

 

the species is solenopsis invicta. does that help or change anything? what are your thoughts.

 

S. invicta doesn't live near me (probably a good thing!).  I think they're fully claustral, which means don't disturb them at all until they have nanitics.  In my experience, this means leave them entirely alone without even looking at them for about a month (depends on temp and species).  If you look at them, they might think that their test tube is unsafe and continue to eat their eggs until they find a safer location (which she never will).  Queens do almost nothing of interest in their first month anyway, so just completely ignore them!

 

I don't know if I'd be concerned if your queen is tearing at the cotton.  My Camponotus pennsylvanicus queen nearly escaped her test tube setup once by tearing away the outer cotton during her founding stage.  So, I simply replaced the cotton and put her back in her drawer.  Now, 2 months later, she has a small colony.  Even claustral queens don't necessarily enjoy being trapped in a test tube setup, but they seem to get over it eventually.

 

To be honest, I normally keep my founding queens at around 74F instead of 78F due to limited room in my heated tank (http://www.formicult...e-new-colonies/), but my species may very well be more tolerant of low temps than yours.  You'll get better results (faster and more reliable) at 78F.

 

Don't get discouraged!  I remember the first time I caught some queens.  I captured about 15-20 and was extremely excited and had them all in test tube setups, only to find out later that they were all parasitic.  Then, when I finally captured another species, I later found that my test tube setups were all too dry, and they (10 maybe) all died of dehydration.  Then, when fall came, I put them into hibernation only to find out that many of my test tubes were too small and they were all running deathly low on water.  My point is, ant-keeping is a learning experience.  Don't be discouraged with a rocky start.  Eventually, you'll have so many colonies that you'll be wondering what to do with them all!  Keep trying!  As long as your test tube setups are right and you keep them at a good temperature, you'll eventually succeed.  I understand that you're probably bummed because there won't be any more queens until next spring, but guess what?  The rest of us are putting our colonies into hibernation, so you've actually lost very little time.


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#19 Offline NightsWebs - Posted October 3 2016 - 6:57 AM

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Not sure what kind of setups you are using.  However, just a thought on heating pads, typically ants get their warmth from the sun which radiates down and warms the nest top down.  I prefer heating lamps and you can use an assortment of different products to achieve the results you want.  Personally I use a tropical night lamp bulb (blue to purple in color) and stands for my heat lamps.  I have had amazing success with this method. 


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Pogonomyrmex Rugosus

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