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[Justicarab]

I caught a bunch of alates in a pool. nearly none of the are moving. but i brought them anyways because i'm desperate considering how late in the season i decided to start my first colony. considering the pool has clorine, and that they are mostly drowned, will the recover?

 

 

 

Update

 

1) this first image shows the ants i got out of the pool. only four are dead for sure. the others are currently moving... more like fidgeting or spazing slightly. a few of them can go up right. a few of them are cleaning themselves. but all but one or two are perpetually in a V shape as you can see. they move a bit but as if their joints connecting their gasters are stuck, or they no longer have control over their Gaster. does this mean that they're pretty much dead?

 

2) what species is the green one in the middle? this one is dead now but what is it? i'm almost positive that the rest are imported red fire ants.

 

 

Edited by Justicarab, September 15 2016 - 8:33 PM.

[Batspiderfish]

As long as they are still alive, they stand a good chance of recovering. Can you take pictures of them? We are hitting a major season for social parasites.

[Justicarab]

As long as they are still alive, they stand a good chance of recovering. Can you take pictures of them? We are hitting a major season for social parasites.

 

i'm about to upload the picture. i saw a few more in the pool but couldn't reach. if you think there is a good chance that their still moving, that they're going to make it, then i'll put on trunks and jump back in. would you say that it's a good idea?

[Batspiderfish]

Go for it! I have no guarantees, obviously.

[Justicarab]

Go for it! I have no guarantees, obviously.

haha, of course. but just because the'r not frantically moving around doesn't mean they're going to die in a few hours right?

[Justicarab]

I went back and grabbed all that I could. Some of the previous ones are moving a little now. can these ants die from the chlorine (like with in the next few hours)?

 

what is a social parasite?

 

 i found quite a few without a gaster, did they rip them off?

 

how do i upload pictures on this website?

Edited by Justicarab, September 15 2016 - 2:03 PM.

[Salmon]

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

[Justicarab]

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

[Air]

 

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

 

Not trying to be rude, but everyone on this site are very good with knowledge of ants. Social parasites are not known what they do to take over a colony, but they are to believe to kill the queen and all of their workers, eat the eggs, larvae, and keep the pupae. The pupae will then think the social parasite is their queen, and accept her. Social Parasites have very large mandibles, and small gasters.

[Justicarab]

 

 

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

 

Not trying to be rude, but everyone on this site are very good with knowledge of ants. Social parasites are not known what they do to take over a colony, but they are to believe to kill the queen and all of their workers, eat the eggs, larvae, and keep the pupae. The pupae will then think the social parasite is their queen, and accept her. Social Parasites have very large mandibles, and small gasters.

 

 

I understand. i an new here and I don't mean to be rude myself. 

[Justicarab]

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

they certainly are waking up from  the salt. why does this work? does it absorb the water or something?

[Batspiderfish]

 

 

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

 

Not trying to be rude, but everyone on this site are very good with knowledge of ants. Social parasites are not known what they do to take over a colony, but they are to believe to kill the queen and all of their workers, eat the eggs, larvae, and keep the pupae. The pupae will then think the social parasite is their queen, and accept her. Social Parasites have very large mandibles, and small gasters.

 

 

Sorry, this isn't right.

 

Here is an old guide I wrote that summarizes social parasites pretty well, I think, aside from a few silly anthropomorphizations: http://antfarm.yuku....es#.V9s9f62FXd1

 

I don't know about the salt method, but it might be overkill.

Edited by Batspiderfish, September 15 2016 - 4:35 PM.

[Justicarab]

 

 

 

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

 

Not trying to be rude, but everyone on this site are very good with knowledge of ants. Social parasites are not known what they do to take over a colony, but they are to believe to kill the queen and all of their workers, eat the eggs, larvae, and keep the pupae. The pupae will then think the social parasite is their queen, and accept her. Social Parasites have very large mandibles, and small gasters.

 

 

Sorry, this isn't right.

 

Here is an old guide I wrote that summarizes social parasites pretty well, I think, aside from a few silly anthropomorphizations: http://antfarm.yuku....es#.V9s9f62FXd1

 

I don't know about the salt method, but it might be overkill.

 

lol, i ended up removing them from the salt after a few minutes. do ant's sleep? they are perfectly still until i shine a light on them and the start moving their legs a bit. i wouldn't doubt that they're exhausted after the swim 

[Air]

 

 

 

Try covering the queens with salt. I've had success reviving drowned caterpillars and other insects that way.

A social parasite is a species of ant that takes over another ant colony rather than starting a new one from scratch.

 

that sounds a little extreme. i'm not saying you're not creditable by any means, but do you have a source or something by chance? i'm not trying to insult you or anything.

 

Not trying to be rude, but everyone on this site are very good with knowledge of ants. Social parasites are not known what they do to take over a colony, but they are to believe to kill the queen and all of their workers, eat the eggs, larvae, and keep the pupae. The pupae will then think the social parasite is their queen, and accept her. Social Parasites have very large mandibles, and small gasters.

 

 

Sorry, this isn't right.

 

Here is an old guide I wrote that summarizes social parasites pretty well, I think, aside from a few silly anthropomorphizations: http://antfarm.yuku....es#.V9s9f62FXd1

 

I don't know about the salt method, but it might be overkill.

 

From what i've read, social parasites will raid the nest, eat all the larvae and eggs to gain nutrients, and hatch the callow workers. There are other ways, of course.

[Batspiderfish]

Lasius parasites, for example, need workers. Formica are the ones that typically kill everything except the pupae.

Edited by Batspiderfish, September 15 2016 - 7:28 PM.

[Justicarab]

hey guys, just updated the OP, do you mind taking a look?

[Vendayn]

Dunno where you live, but looks like Solenopsis invicta. They are flying now too. I've been finding a lot of males (which are wasp-like and completely black) in the pools.

 

I often get "dead" queens from pools, but within an hour in a dry area they are moving again. And the queens were in the pool for hours before I got them.

[Batspiderfish]

The green one looks like a bee.

[T.C.]

Hi, there, I actually have several successful colonies and I got my most of my queens out our personal pool. Either drowning or running circles on a tube. Batspiderfish is correct though, most queens now are going to be social parasties which I don't keep. But their is still time to catch other queens!

[Batspiderfish]

I might have been a little hasty in saying that, given their location. It looks like they got a nice haul of Solenopsis invicta.