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[Kevin]

READ BEFORE BUYING

You must be local and in the state of New Jersey. If you have a question, please ask.

 

 

This thread will be updated in the spring. If you desperately need ants, please PM me.

 

Unfortunately some queens are healthier than others. Some queens have expected issues such as laying eggs everywhere, or not being federalized. Due to nature, not every queen is guaranteed a successful colony and therefore no refunds will be issued for live insects other that rare occasions of queens arriving dead under my fault. Contact me for more information on policy. Queens do not have to be shipped, direct pickup is an option. Pick up will take place in southern New Jersey.

 

Disclaimer: No matter how close you are to New Jersey, shipping queens across state lines is illegal and not recommended.

 

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Edited by Kevin, March 23 2017 - 12:59 PM.

[Ryan1207]

Your in NJ or PA?

[Kevin]

New Jersey

[Kevin]

Bump

[Kevin]

Bump, sale for queens. Got 2 camponotus queens today, so I'll have to get them ID'ed and they will up for sale!

[AntsTexas]

i hear ya on that one!

[ctantkeeper]

Not interested in this purchase, but i just wanted to ask whether or not CT is close enough to new jersey for me to buy your products. one end of the state is super close and is only separated by a tiny piece of land in New York!!!

[Kevin]

That would be fine.

[Saftron]

How did you get my email Kevin? I thought you were Toenhi or bugfinder because you emailed me about queens and I'm in California...???

[Kevin]

I saw a post of yours and decided to email you, and you replied. I stated that I don't live in your area though.

[Saftron]

Oh, yeah sorry I thought you mean't like not near me but still in California. Sorry bout that!

[ctantkeeper]

That would be fine.

thanks so much!!!

[Kevin]

Plenty of queens to go around, let me know if you want one.

[dspdrew]

Just so you guys know, no matter how close someone lives to you, if ants have to cross a State line to get to their destination, someone will have to break the law to get them there.

[ctantkeeper]

Yes, but remember the guidelines that were used to run the byformica ant adoption program (whatever happened to that one). It allowed ants to be shipped across state lines as long as the species naturally occurs in both states and that the ants are properly disposed of upon death. I am not trying to point fingers, just trying to prove a small point.

[Vendayn]

Yes, but remember the guidelines that were used to run the byformica ant adoption program (whatever happened to that one). It allowed ants to be shipped across state lines as long as the species naturally occurs in both states and that the ants are properly disposed of upon death. I am not trying to point fingers, just trying to prove a small point.

That kinda seems like a HUGE grey area at the very least. There are plenty of species that look pretty much exactly the same, but are considered the "same" ant species. A great example of this is Dorymyrmex bicolor, which are actually multiple species. But, they haven't been properly sorted out. And then, Monomorium ergatogyna is a different species to Monomorium minimum (though occurring in different regions of the US, don't think Monomorium minimum occurs in California, just an example), but there is pretty much no noticeable difference one can see with their own eye.

 

Though I think that could be much better in a different thread, so probably won't say anything further. Don't need to hijack this thread.

[drtrmiller]

Yes, but remember the guidelines that were used to run the byformica ant adoption program (whatever happened to that one). It allowed ants to be shipped across state lines as long as the species naturally occurs in both states and that the ants are properly disposed of upon death. I am not trying to point fingers, just trying to prove a small point.

 

That is not at all accurate.  What you said doesn't even reflect my own personal opinions on the issue, so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

The byFormica site said the following:

byFormica does not provide legal advice to buyers or sellers participating in this service, and we would refer all questions about the legality of such matters to a licensed attorney or the appropriate regulatory agency. The transport of plant pests is regulated under the Title IV, Plant Protection Act and/or other statutes, and enforced by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and/or other agencies.

 

The law in a nutshell: Per the Plant Protection Act, "plant pests" may not be imported, exported, or transported across state lines, regardless as to whether they are native to a particular area. Plant pests are defined as "any living stage of [an organism] that can directly or indirectly injure, cause damage to, or cause disease in any plant or plant product." Because the environmental impact of many ants is unstudied, is is unclear which ant species may be classified as plant pests.

 

If a buyer or seller knowingly asks that you break a law to conduct a transaction, please contact us.

Edited by drtrmiller, August 7 2016 - 8:58 PM.

[ctantkeeper]

 

Yes, but remember the guidelines that were used to run the byformica ant adoption program (whatever happened to that one). It allowed ants to be shipped across state lines as long as the species naturally occurs in both states and that the ants are properly disposed of upon death. I am not trying to point fingers, just trying to prove a small point.

 

That is not at all accurate.  What you said doesn't even reflect my own personal opinions on the issue, so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

The byFormica site said the following:

byFormica does not provide legal advice to buyers or sellers participating in this service, and we would refer all questions about the legality of such matters to a licensed attorney or the appropriate regulatory agency. The transport of plant pests is regulated under the Title IV, Plant Protection Act and/or other statutes, and enforced by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and/or other agencies.

 

The law in a nutshell: Per the Plant Protection Act, "plant pests" may not be imported, exported, or transported across state lines, regardless as to whether they are native to a particular area. Plant pests are defined as "any living stage of [an organism] that can directly or indirectly injure, cause damage to, or cause disease in any plant or plant product." Because the environmental impact of many ants is unstudied, is is unclear which ant species may be classified as plant pests.

 

If a buyer or seller knowingly asks that you break a law to conduct a transaction, please contact us.

 

Sorry Terry, I didn't mean anything bad by posting this. It has been a while since the ant adoption program on your website was closed to the public and I simply saw yours as being very flexible in terms of where and what species can be sent. I thought it was strange that this adoption service was getting much more scrutiny, but now I understand. 

[ctantkeeper]

So, Its seems that we can infer three things from this post moving forward (from Kevin's first post to mine):

 

- all living organisms being sold must be confirmed to have populations at both the send - point as well as the location of the seller (obviously)

- agricultural pests cannot be sold and only ant species that have been studied in great detail in regards to their effect on the environment can be sold across state lines (If this is the case we should create some sort of list of appropriate species to sell.)

-If the transaction takes place over state lines, the states must be next to each over

 

Based on terry's store (If I remember correctly...don't shoot me if i get this wrong lol) - If one of these insects were to die in captivity, the body should be frozen in liquid nitrogen or incinerated to prevent contamination (In other words, don't toss it outside or flush it down the toilet.).

Edited by ctantkeeper, August 8 2016 - 6:56 AM.

[benjiwuf]

In the us, you cannot transport reproductive queens across state lines. Hence the GAN guidelines. In canada you can only transport in canada, and in the eu anything goes as long as everything stays in the eu.

Edit: These are at least my observations as i have not lived in canada, only the us and eu do i mostly understand.

Edited by benjiwuf, August 8 2016 - 10:06 AM.