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Ant ID (Camponotus ocreatus) (Pinyon Pines, San Jacinto Mountains, CA) (3-10-2014)
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dspdrew
, Mar 11 2014 2:03 AM
ant id dspdrew camponotus san jacinto mountains palm desert california queen pinyon pines
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#1 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 2:03 AM
1. Location of collection: Pinyon Pines, San Jacinto Mountains, California.
2. Date of collection: 3-8-2014.
3. Habitat of collection: Pinyon pine high desert scrub.
4. Length (from head to gaster): 7mm to 13mm (Workers), 13mm (Major), 14mm (Queen).
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Yellow thorax and gaster, orangish-brown head, and very little hair.
6. Distinguishing characteristics:
7. Anything else distinctive:
8. Nest description: Typical looking, flattened mound of dirt about 4 inches in diameter.
I thought I might have been digging up a founding chamber, but it turned out to be a mature nest with the queen and all just under the surface. I collected as many workers as I could. One minor worker died so I was able to put it under the microscope, but it was kind of curled up, so the pictures didn't come out very good.
Queen
Major
Minor
Habitat
2. Date of collection: 3-8-2014.
3. Habitat of collection: Pinyon pine high desert scrub.
4. Length (from head to gaster): 7mm to 13mm (Workers), 13mm (Major), 14mm (Queen).
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: Yellow thorax and gaster, orangish-brown head, and very little hair.
6. Distinguishing characteristics:
7. Anything else distinctive:
8. Nest description: Typical looking, flattened mound of dirt about 4 inches in diameter.
I thought I might have been digging up a founding chamber, but it turned out to be a mature nest with the queen and all just under the surface. I collected as many workers as I could. One minor worker died so I was able to put it under the microscope, but it was kind of curled up, so the pictures didn't come out very good.
Queen
Major
Minor
Habitat
#2 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 2:58 AM
I just woke up, but this might look like Camponotus (Tanaemyrmex) ocreatus by hairs, pigmentation and possibly location.
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#3 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 5:18 AM
Yeah, but if that's true, then I doubt the ones I see a lot around the mountains closer to where I live are C. ocreatus like I have always believed. Those are more of a redish-orange with a black head and black front half of the thorax, which looks exactly like a lot of the pictures I find online of C. ocreatus, but I know, sometimes you can have the same species with quite different looking color...
#4 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 5:56 AM
Nice. I don't have any light colored Camponotus in my area.
Interesting that you found them in the ground. In my location, almost all Camponotus nest in wood although 2 species like to nest under rocks (but they are only found in extremely rocky areas like the Rocky Mountains).
I wonder why there are no ground dwelling Camponotus in my area....
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astound the rest." -- Samuel Clemens
#5 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 7:29 AM
I don't know, it seems like most of the Camponotus around here are ground nesting species.
#6 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 12:54 PM
Looking at the shape of the petiole, and taking the coloration somewhat into consideration, I would hazard a guess of either Camponotus semitestaceus or Camponotus sansabaenus
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astound the rest." -- Samuel Clemens
#7 Offline - Posted March 11 2014 - 1:31 PM
Yeah C. semitestaceus was my first guess, but I think they have just a tad bit too much hair. As for C. sansabaenus, I think they have way too much hair. Even though the C. ocreatus I usually see look much different in color, and are a little larger, I am going to guess that's what these are; the hair looks identical, and there are a few C. ocreatus pictures on AntWeb that have coloring exactly like these.
#8 Offline - Posted March 12 2014 - 12:09 PM
A very fascinating coloured ant. Looks like it would be made of glass.
Franz
if you find any mistakes, it's my autocorrection. it doesn't speak english.
#9 Offline - Posted March 12 2014 - 2:06 PM
Just wondering dspdrew, did you drive to palm desert only to find ants?
#10 Offline - Posted March 12 2014 - 8:26 PM
beautiful queen!
#11 Offline - Posted March 12 2014 - 10:11 PM
Just wondering dspdrew, did you drive to palm desert only to find ants?
Yup.
#12 Offline - Posted March 14 2014 - 3:22 PM
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