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What're the noticable differences between s. xyloni and s. invicta queens?

Started By AntThingGG , Oct 18 2024 6:31 AM

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#1 Offline AntThingGG - Posted October 18 2024 - 6:31 AM

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please help idk what I have.


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#2 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted October 18 2024 - 6:44 AM

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please help idk what I have.

In order to help you, you are going to need to edit your original post and follow this ID template.


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#3 Offline eea - Posted October 18 2024 - 8:40 AM

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Solenopsis xyloni don’t live in North Carolina.

#4 Offline AntThingGG - Posted October 18 2024 - 11:27 AM

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please help idk what I have.

Solenopsis xyloni don’t live in North Carolina.

 

Really? I looked on ant maps


 

please help idk what I have.

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I'm not asking for a ID I'm asking for the differences


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#5 Offline AntsGodzilla - Posted October 18 2024 - 2:46 PM

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Invicta queens are noticeably larger.


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#6 Offline eea - Posted October 18 2024 - 7:07 PM

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please help idk what I have.

Solenopsis xyloni don’t live in North Carolina.

 

Really? I looked on ant maps


 

please help idk what I have.

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I'm not asking for a ID I'm asking for the differences

 

If they do they seem pretty rare as there are zero sightings of xyloni on the east coast.


#7 Offline bmb1bee - Posted October 18 2024 - 7:37 PM

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There are no Solenopsis xyloni in North Carolina. Antweb doesn't show any sightings and the single record on Antwiki/Antmaps is likely an error. Your queen is much more likely to be S. invicta as they seem to be somewhat abundant in North Carolina.


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#8 Offline bmb1bee - Posted October 18 2024 - 7:39 PM

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I'm not asking for a ID I'm asking for the differences

It should be noted that you posted this in the "Ant ID Requests" part of the forum, so it is naturally expected for you to follow the rules of ID requests. Not to mention that any extra details and information would be much more helpful than "please help idk what I have", with all due respect.


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#9 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted October 18 2024 - 8:02 PM

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S. xyloni was in North Carolina, hence the old records on AntMaps showing it as present. S. xyloni used to occur natively across the whole southern US, but it has been driven to extinction in the southeast by S. invicta. The only fire ants left in the eastern US are the ubiquitous S. invicta, the S. invicta x richteri hybrid, a small population of pure S. richteri, and a few small scattered populations of S. geminata. In North Carolina the only one present is S. invicta, except for possibly small numbers of the hybrid in the extreme western tip of the state.

 

As for the morphological differences between the two, there are often differences in color morphs, but where coloration is similar then the two can be separated by the presence of a median clypeal tooth in S. invicta (absent in S. xyloni), by the shape of the head (slightly rounder in S. invicta, slightly more square in S. xyloni), and by the length of the antennal segments (requires examination under a microscope).


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#10 Offline AntThingGG - Posted October 27 2024 - 9:06 AM

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I'm not asking for a ID I'm asking for the differences


S. xyloni was in North Carolina, hence the old records on AntMaps showing it as present. S. xyloni used to occur natively across the whole southern US, but it has been driven to extinction in the southeast by S. invicta. The only fire ants left in the eastern US are the ubiquitous S. invicta, the S. invicta x richteri hybrid, a small population of pure S. richteri, and a few small scattered populations of S. geminata. In North Carolina the only one present is S. invicta, except for possibly small numbers of the hybrid in the extreme western tip of the state.

As for the morphological differences between the two, there are often differences in color morphs, but where coloration is similar then the two can be separated by the presence of a median clypeal tooth in S. invicta (absent in S. xyloni), by the shape of the head (slightly rounder in S. invicta, slightly more square in S. xyloni), and by the length of the antennal segments (requires examination under a microscope).

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Is this S invicta x ririchi?


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Really? I looked on ant map


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I'm not asking for a ID I'm asking for the differences


S. xyloni was in North Carolina, hence the old records on AntMaps showing it as present. S. xyloni used to occur natively across the whole southern US, but it has been driven to extinction in the southeast by S. invicta. The only fire ants left in the eastern US are the ubiquitous S. invicta, the S. invicta x richteri hybrid, a small population of pure S. richteri, and a few small scattered populations of S. geminata. In North Carolina the only one present is S. invicta, except for possibly small numbers of the hybrid in the extreme western tip of the state.

As for the morphological differences between the two, there are often differences in color morphs, but where coloration is similar then the two can be separated by the presence of a median clypeal tooth in S. invicta (absent in S. xyloni), by the shape of the head (slightly rounder in S. invicta, slightly more square in S. xyloni), and by the length of the antennal segments (requires examination under a microscope).


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#11 Offline eea - Posted October 27 2024 - 10:07 AM

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invicta x richteri's range is more to the west around Tennessee.


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