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#21 Offline mete - Posted September 20 2024 - 4:33 AM

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I think at 7 months you should be getting some worker die off for Pogonomyrmex. The 10 workers is over span of x days I presume.  I'm more concerned you are not making enough workers to replace them. I'd expect more than 40 workers. 

 

I also observed 4-5 deaths within 2-3 weeks in my Messor barbarus colony (~30 workers). If I am not mistaken, they were small so I thought they can be the first workers. I think Messor's nuptial flight is 2 months later than Pogonomyrmex, so Mushu's point might be valid for this colony as well. I saw 4-5 deaths but last time I counted the colony had a few more members than when I received them. So I am not alerted from this point of view.

 

 

Ok another 10 died. It's not the food, and there is nothing visiable wrong.

How is the water situation? Do they have access to drinking water and nest hydration?

 

 

On the other hand, I am very unsure about the hydration in the nest. So this is also my main concern about the deaths.



#22 Offline AntsGodzilla - Posted September 20 2024 - 6:28 AM

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Ok another 10 died. It's not the food, and there is nothing visiable wrong.

How is the water situation? Do they have access to drinking water and nest hydration?

 

Yes. They have a nestmate and two water towers inside the nest and a THA feeder in the outworld.


Edited by AntsGodzilla, September 20 2024 - 6:28 AM.

 

And many Carnivorous plants such as: Dionea muscipula (fly trap), Sarracenia x 'Fiona' ( American Pitcher plant), Nepenthese ventrata (Tropical Pitcher plant), and Pinguicula agnata x emarginata (Butterwort) (show off your plants here)

Godzilla thread

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores it's provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Proverbs 6: 6-8

 

Myrmecocystus depilis

 


#23 Offline AntsGodzilla - Posted September 20 2024 - 1:24 PM

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They went from 35 workers to 15 in 11 days


 

And many Carnivorous plants such as: Dionea muscipula (fly trap), Sarracenia x 'Fiona' ( American Pitcher plant), Nepenthese ventrata (Tropical Pitcher plant), and Pinguicula agnata x emarginata (Butterwort) (show off your plants here)

Godzilla thread

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores it's provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Proverbs 6: 6-8

 

Myrmecocystus depilis

 


#24 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 21 2024 - 7:07 PM

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Were the fruit flies wild ones? They could have carried germs/parasites. If you found them dead, they could have been sprayed with bug spray.

^ This should be addressed. Also, observe them closely: are there mites attached to their limbs? Is their setup molding excessively?


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#25 Offline AntsGodzilla - Posted September 21 2024 - 7:10 PM

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Were the fruit flies wild ones? They could have carried germs/parasites. If you found them dead, they could have been sprayed with bug spray.

^ This should be addressed. Also, observe them closely: are there mites attached to their limbs? Is their setup molding excessively?

 

I bought the fruit flies from petsmart, there is no mold anywhere in their outworld or nest, and I have seen no mites accept three in the trash pile.


 

And many Carnivorous plants such as: Dionea muscipula (fly trap), Sarracenia x 'Fiona' ( American Pitcher plant), Nepenthese ventrata (Tropical Pitcher plant), and Pinguicula agnata x emarginata (Butterwort) (show off your plants here)

Godzilla thread

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores it's provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Proverbs 6: 6-8

 

Myrmecocystus depilis

 


#26 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 21 2024 - 7:17 PM

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Were the fruit flies wild ones? They could have carried germs/parasites. If you found them dead, they could have been sprayed with bug spray.

^ This should be addressed. Also, observe them closely: are there mites attached to their limbs? Is their setup molding excessively?

 

I bought the fruit flies from petsmart, there is no mold anywhere in their outworld or nest, and I have seen no mites accept three in the trash pile.

 

If there is absolutely no other unusual behaviors/elements in the setup, I would ascribe it to a fungal or parasitic infection of some sort. It is quite common in young colonies. Canadian Anter is doing research on the subject and may find treatments to these diseases. Ants are especially vulnerable to fungi and bacteria due to their cold-blooded nature (we warm-blooded humans are too hot internally for most fungi to survive; bacteria can tolerate it better, but oftentimes it's not ideal, cue fevers). That's why they groom themselves and each other constantly. It knocks fungal spores and bacteria off their exoskeletons. Just like we still get sick despite washing our hands, ants still get sick despite grooming. It's quite common in nature, and if this is indeed the case there isn't much you can do, just hope their immune systems can kick into gear soon enough. 

 

My Attempts to set up Medical Treatments for Ants - General Ant Keeping - Ants & Myrmecology Forum (formiculture.com)


Edited by RushmoreAnts, September 21 2024 - 7:17 PM.

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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#27 Offline AntsGodzilla - Posted September 21 2024 - 7:20 PM

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Ok thanks for the help


 

And many Carnivorous plants such as: Dionea muscipula (fly trap), Sarracenia x 'Fiona' ( American Pitcher plant), Nepenthese ventrata (Tropical Pitcher plant), and Pinguicula agnata x emarginata (Butterwort) (show off your plants here)

Godzilla thread

Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores it's provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. Proverbs 6: 6-8

 

Myrmecocystus depilis

 


#28 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 22 2024 - 1:25 PM

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No problem, I hope they recover.


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis






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