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#1 Offline invincible - Posted September 4 2024 - 4:56 AM

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Hello,

Can you help me identify the species and if it is a queen please ?

Queen #1
1. Location: Ulm Germany
2. Today's date: 9/4/2024
 
Body:
1. Location of collection Tuna river side

2. Date of collection: 9/2/2024
3. Habitat of collection: river side covered by trees
4. Length: ~8mm

10 . Apologies for not having the clearest pictures, the glass got in the way

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Edited by invincible, September 4 2024 - 5:55 AM.


#2 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted September 4 2024 - 4:58 AM

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Hello,

Can you help me identify the species and if it is a queen please ?

Good morning. In order to get the best ID for your ant, I recommend following the template guide found here, as this lets IDers know a lot of surrounding information key to the most accurate ID. You can edit your original post to include this information by copying and pasting the template and filling in the lines. If you wish to see an example of this, you can view an older ID thread of mine here.


Edited by Ants_Dakota, September 4 2024 - 4:59 AM.

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#3 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted September 4 2024 - 6:05 AM

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Looks like Lasius Niger or some sort of Formica, but you should wait for someone more experienced than me to identify your ant. And yes it is a queen.

Edited by cooIboyJ, September 4 2024 - 6:06 AM.

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#4 Offline ANTdrew - Posted September 4 2024 - 6:15 AM

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The smaller gaster seems to point toward some sort of parasitic species. Perhaps a parasitic Lasius? A better picture of the head shape will help narrow it down.


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#5 Offline OiledOlives - Posted September 4 2024 - 7:24 AM

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Lasius (Chthonolasius), further determination past umbratus-group will require microscopy.



#6 Offline invincible - Posted September 4 2024 - 8:43 AM

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The smaller gaster seems to point toward some sort of parasitic species. Perhaps a parasitic Lasius? A better picture of the head shape will help narrow it down.


So I can’t establish a colony with her ?

#7 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted September 4 2024 - 8:49 AM

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Not on her own, you will need to give her workers from a different colony but I don’t know how, so ask someone more experienced than me.

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#8 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted September 4 2024 - 8:51 AM

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The smaller gaster seems to point toward some sort of parasitic species. Perhaps a parasitic Lasius? A better picture of the head shape will help narrow it down.


So I can’t establish a colony with her ?

 

To answer your question, you can read this detailed guide to founding parasitic Lasius queens.


Edited by Ants_Dakota, September 4 2024 - 8:51 AM.

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#9 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted September 4 2024 - 9:02 AM

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The smaller gaster seems to point toward some sort of parasitic species. Perhaps a parasitic Lasius? A better picture of the head shape will help narrow it down.


So I can’t establish a colony with her ?
To answer your question, you can read this detailed guide to founding parasitic Lasius queens.
I was trying to find that guide but I couldn’t find it :(
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“You’ll survive” -wise man.
Currently keeping:
Brachymyrmex patagonicus

Solenopsis invicta

Crematogaster sp.


#10 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted September 4 2024 - 9:07 AM

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The smaller gaster seems to point toward some sort of parasitic species. Perhaps a parasitic Lasius? A better picture of the head shape will help narrow it down.


So I can’t establish a colony with her ?
To answer your question, you can read this detailed guide to founding parasitic Lasius queens.
I was trying to find that guide but I couldn’t find it :(

 

4 years of formiculture will do that to you ;) . It is pinned under the General Ant Keeping section for reference, in case you want to help future users out.


Edited by Ants_Dakota, September 4 2024 - 9:07 AM.

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Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest. -Proverbs 6: 6-8

My Nationwide Ant Shop Here I have PPQ-526 permits to ship ants nationwide

Attention Ant-Keepers in South Dakota! Join the SoDak(Society Of Dakotan Ant Keepers)

My Formica sp. Journal

My Lasius sp. Journal

My Micro Ants Journal

My Pogonomyrmex occidentalis Journal


#11 Offline invincible - Posted September 4 2024 - 9:59 AM

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I have better photos now but don’t know how to load them

#12 Offline invincible - Posted September 4 2024 - 10:04 AM

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Hello,
Can you help me identify the species and if it is a queen please ?
Queen #1
1. Location: Ulm Germany
2. Today's date: 9/4/2024

Body:
1. Location of collection Tuna river side

2. Date of collection: 9/2/2024
3. Habitat of collection: river side covered by trees
4. Length: ~8mm

10 . Apologies for not having the clearest pictures, the glass got in the way


Better photos now will be happy if you can help id species for sure please

#13 Offline invincible - Posted September 4 2024 - 10:04 AM

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Hello,
Can you help me identify the species and if it is a queen please ?
Queen #1
1. Location: Ulm Germany
2. Today's date: 9/4/2024

Body:
1. Location of collection Tuna river side

2. Date of collection: 9/2/2024
3. Habitat of collection: river side covered by trees
4. Length: ~8mm

10 . Apologies for not having the clearest pictures, the glass got in the way


Better photos now will be happy if you can help id species for sure please

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#14 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 5 2024 - 5:52 AM

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I concur with Lasius (Chthonolasius) sp. I would recommend the callow method from the guide above, as it is the safest, just be very careful not to injure the callows. Also before doing anything with her feed her, as parasitic queens are often malnourished in the nest.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#15 Offline invincible - Posted September 5 2024 - 6:18 AM

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I concur with Lasius (Chthonolasius) sp. I would recommend the callow method from the guide above, as it is the safest, just be very careful not to injure the callows. Also before doing anything with her feed her, as parasitic queens are often malnourished in the nest.

Unfortunately i have no other colony for puape or workers so it looks like the best way is to release her back to nature. Because i don't want to cause any living things to die because of my hobby by trying other ways. Maybe i can find a queen species which can establish a colony by herself.



#16 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted September 5 2024 - 7:02 PM

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Better photos now will be happy if you can help id species for sure please

As OiledOlives already said, a species ID would require examination of the specimen under a microscope, it cannot be identified from casual photos.







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