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#1 Offline mete - Posted August 15 2024 - 6:31 AM

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A week has passed since I got the colony, so it is time to write.
 
I have not looked after an Ant colony before, so it is my first. I thought it would be interesting for all the family (with two gradeschoolers) so we give it a go.
 
I did not know much about the differences between Ant species, so I checked the information and Messor barbarus seemed both interesting and easy to take care of. I have purchased the AntCube's starter kit with a Messor barbarus colony (~20 workers).
 
I have quickly setup the kit following the AntCube's instruction video, effectively connecting the outworld/arena to the seed storage nest and the seed storage nest to the actual nest, putting on the Fluon as well as water and food, and finally the test tube containing the colony onto the arena. 
 
I could not put each structure (the arena and the two nests) next to each other like in the instruction video due to space limitation so the hose from the arena to the seed storage nest became a bit too steep/vertical than I would want.
 
Following 4 days, only a few workers have explored the nests and the colony was mostly staying in the test tube. It did not look like they want to move soon. Meanwhile I tried a few types of foods.
 
After 4 days, I decided to change the shape of the hose connecting the arena to the seed storage nest. I made a change to decrease the steepness of the hose. Also, in this night, I let a not so strong light powered on over the arena (thus over the test tube) to motivate them to move.
 
I also realized the analog thermometer and hygrometer that came with the kit is not quite accurate, so I removed them and attached a wireless sensor in their location.
 
The next morning, the colony were already emptied the test tube and started to dig in two places in the actual nest. Following the instructions, I had kept the seed storage nest dry but added water to the actual nest when setting it up, so it was more humid, and the colony already selected this nest. They kept the brood usually in the shallow hole (and sometimes outside), but workers continue to dig the other hole. The kit came with two red (thin plastic) filters to be used in front of the nests, to block the non-red light and imitate darkness. I guess it works, both holes are dig on the red filter side and not visible from the other side. The nests contain a material called digfix, not sure exactly what it is.
 
Following days until now they continued digging one hole, caring the brood mostly in the other hole, foraging in the arena and carrying sand or small stones particularly to the entrance of the hose I believe to cover or hide the entrance to the nest. I see I believe one pupa and a few larvae.
 
One issue I was not sure was cleaning/vacuuming. As I saw/read in one post, I tried holding a small diameter hose in front of a hand vacuum cleaner and vacuumed the arena. It was pretty simple and effective.
 
Other issue I was wondering is how I can add water to the actual nest when it starts to dry. Once I tried to add some drops from the top where there were no ants, but they got alarmed very strongly (I guess mostly because I caused vibration). I believe I need to use the side hole as shown in the instruction video. I did not try it yet.
 
Just to make it a bit more like natural environment and maybe to prevent mold, I decided to try forced ventilation/installing a fan (AntCube also has such a product). I 3D printed a basic 40mm to 50mm adapter and installed a small 40mm fan on one of the holes over the arena cover. It seems to be working fine and ants do not show any reaction to it. The fan is working at the lowest setting, hardly audible and blowing the air from the arena to the room.
 
A few general observations:
 
- Having no major workers I believe, they definitely only take easier to eat/carry small/soft seeds. Hemp seed (hulled, for human consumption) and amaranth was a success, chia, sesame etc. was not.
- They definitely like fruit flies (I catched a few and boiled), but not much the cricket jam which came with the kit. They did like the dry protein (powder) that came with the kit. They also liked both the white and the yellow parts of a boiled chicken egg.
- They do not like sugar-water, honey-water or jam. They also very rarely go to the water reservoir (sponge). They ate banana mash once, but not the other time.
- They do not seem to care sound (not so loud but they are in the living room, so all the usual noise/tv/music etc.).
- They are staying ~2m inside from the north looking window, so just the indirect daylight is coming. I also have a low power LED light over the arena, which is on all the day (not the night). If I take the red filter out to see the nests, they also do not react, so I think they are not very sensitive to light in this regard.
- They are sensitive (or very sensitive) to vibration. It is OK to touch the shelf or put something lightly. However, if the shelf is tapped hard with finger etc. or the red filter (plastic) lightly hits the glass, they immediately alarm.
 
I bought a Pentax Papillo II binoculars some time ago for the kids to use in their trips. The unique thing with this binocular is it can focus to very close distance like 0.5m. So it happened to be a great observation device for the ants also.
 
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#2 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted August 15 2024 - 6:49 AM

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Nice colony! I’ll be following this to see what happens!

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#3 Offline Ernteameise - Posted August 15 2024 - 7:08 AM

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Love the Messor!

Good luck with them!

Mine were not really fond of the DigFix, I am curious how your colony will do in it.


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#4 Offline mete - Posted August 15 2024 - 11:17 AM

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Love the Messor!
Good luck with them!
Mine were not really fond of the DigFix, I am curious how your colony will do in it.


I just finished reading your journal. DigFix seems ok until now for my colony but also they have no alternative. I thought they would create the tunnels quicker but it seems it will take some time. I have ~20 workers with no majors I think so only a few is digging.
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#5 Offline Ernteameise - Posted August 15 2024 - 12:04 PM

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Love the Messor!
Good luck with them!
Mine were not really fond of the DigFix, I am curious how your colony will do in it.


I just finished reading your journal. DigFix seems ok until now for my colony but also they have no alternative. I thought they would create the tunnels quicker but it seems it will take some time. I have ~20 workers with no majors I think so only a few is digging.

 

I had thought of maybe offering my colony a large Antstore Digfix nest (these 40cm XL plates) for the back of my shelf as an expansion.

I am just not sure if Digfix will be fine or not. So I will watch your journal with curiosity.

You are right, 20 workers are still small, so they will not do any large excavations.



#6 Offline Stubyvast - Posted August 15 2024 - 4:35 PM

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Wow nice colony! Love the quality of the images, really nice and crisp. This is always something I've been aspiring to. 

Funny, my tetramorium immigrans did the exact same thing with covering the tubing with materials! Perhaps to moderate the climate inside? 

Brilliant idea with the fan! Should make the outworld more of a, well, outworld, to the ants, haha!


Edited by Stubyvast, August 15 2024 - 4:38 PM.

Currently raising: 

Myrmica rubra (1 queen +  ~5 workers)

Lasius niger (single queen + ~90+ workers)

Lasius neoniger (3 single queen + brood)

Formica spp. (Queen [likely parasitic, needs brood])

Formica pacifica (Queen)

Also keeping a friend's tetramorium immigrans for the foreseeable future. Thanks CoffeBlock!


#7 Offline mete - Posted August 16 2024 - 11:06 AM

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I had thought of maybe offering my colony a large Antstore Digfix nest (these 40cm XL plates) for the back of my shelf as an expansion.


It might be interesting, I think then they will or may build a more 3D like nest. I like that these nests are tall or vertical, looks and feels more natural to me. But also I am not sure how to monitor the humidity there.

#8 Offline mete - Posted August 16 2024 - 11:16 AM

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Wow nice colony! Love the quality of the images, really nice and crisp. This is always something I've been aspiring to.
Funny, my tetramorium immigrans did the exact same thing with covering the tubing with materials! Perhaps to moderate the climate inside?
Brilliant idea with the fan! Should make the outworld more of a, well, outworld, to the ants, haha!


It is a bit challenging to make photos. I can't put a tripod nearby and there is less light and then they are behind a glass. The macro ants photo also surprised me, I was lucky. I should improve these a bit, I like taking macro/micro photos.

I read that, in nature, they also make a crescent shape craters. I wonder if they build this instead of a crater since the entry is from the side. I realized also they closed it quite much, and they are not picking the seeds nowadays much. I wonder if they closed it since they have enough food inside and there is nowhere to store the seeds inside yet. How would it help to regulate climate ? To keep humidity inside ?

#9 Offline Ernteameise - Posted August 17 2024 - 1:28 AM

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I had thought of maybe offering my colony a large Antstore Digfix nest (these 40cm XL plates) for the back of my shelf as an expansion.


It might be interesting, I think then they will or may build a more 3D like nest. I like that these nests are tall or vertical, looks and feels more natural to me. But also I am not sure how to monitor the humidity there.

 

In large Messor colonies, you do not need to worry about humidity anymore. Right now, I have stopped worrying completely.

I offer 5 different water sources for my colony at the moment, and they drink a lot and take care of their humidity needs themselves.

In your small colony, you will have to pay attention yourself, but as soon as your colony reaches several hundred, just make sure you offer enough water sources and they will do the rest themselves.


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#10 Offline Zzz - Posted August 17 2024 - 7:15 AM

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Very nice pictures!



#11 Offline mete - Posted August 18 2024 - 7:40 AM

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I had thought of maybe offering my colony a large Antstore Digfix nest (these 40cm XL plates) for the back of my shelf as an expansion.


It might be interesting, I think then they will or may build a more 3D like nest. I like that these nests are tall or vertical, looks and feels more natural to me. But also I am not sure how to monitor the humidity there.

 

In large Messor colonies, you do not need to worry about humidity anymore. Right now, I have stopped worrying completely.

I offer 5 different water sources for my colony at the moment, and they drink a lot and take care of their humidity needs themselves.

In your small colony, you will have to pay attention yourself, but as soon as your colony reaches several hundred, just make sure you offer enough water sources and they will do the rest themselves.

 

 

That is good to know, thanks.



#12 Offline mete - Posted August 18 2024 - 7:56 AM

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They almost totally closed the entrance tube going to the nest area with sand and stones and staying inside for some days, I hardly see any in the outworld. There are some seeds inside they stored before. I am not 100% sure but I think there is always at least one waiting just behind the sand/stone barrier, I believe a guard. Meanwhile they are caring for the brood.

 

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#13 Offline mete - Posted August 25 2024 - 12:45 AM

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After a week, they are still staying mostly inside. I gave a fruit fly two times. First one they took, the second they did not. They are also not collecting seeds at all or not collecting enough for me to notice. There is a lot going on where the brood is. The other hole they are either using as a storage or waste space not sure.

 

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#14 Offline Ernteameise - Posted August 31 2024 - 5:11 AM

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It is a small colony, so do not expect them to eat tons of flies or huge amount of seed. Remember, that one medium size seed takes 20 ants a whole day to make ant bread of. You can watch them do it- they will sit in a circle and all chew on the seed and will produce the ant bread (a grey mass). The shell of the seed they will dump at the waste dump.

But you have brood, so all is going according to plan.

Oh, and if you notice white smears on the glass- that is Messor faeces.

They have an oily faeces due to eating the seed, and this oily faeces they also use in their nests to make some nest areas less moist, since oily faeces is hydrophobic and makes water pearl off.

Messors are famous for making a mess, and smearing their faeces all over, so just accept that your now clean glass won't be looking nice and clean anymore after a while.



#15 Offline mete - Posted August 31 2024 - 6:33 AM

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It is a small colony, so do not expect them to eat tons of flies or huge amount of seed. Remember, that one medium size seed takes 20 ants a whole day to make ant bread of. You can watch them do it- they will sit in a circle and all chew on the seed and will produce the ant bread (a grey mass). The shell of the seed they will dump at the waste dump.

 

Thank you for the infos, really helpful. I realized, after having this ant farm, that ants are really small creatures comparing to other common insects I see around. Even a small fruit fly is not small and a spider can be really big. I still put too much food (too many seeds), still trying to get used to it. I see sometimes light colored mass that I cannot categorize so I believe that is the ant bread. They are using the other hole I think as a waste space but there are also other things around so I think not very organized yet at this size.

 

Oh, and if you notice white smears on the glass- that is Messor faeces.

They have an oily faeces due to eating the seed, and this oily faeces they also use in their nests to make some nest areas less moist, since oily faeces is hydrophobic and makes water pearl off.

Messors are famous for making a mess, and smearing their faeces all over, so just accept that your now clean glass won't be looking nice and clean anymore after a while.

 

Yes I saw it particularly on the glass of other area (for the seed storage). Very interesting they use this for moist control, I havent read it before.


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Update for this week. I saw them more in the outworld this week and particularly near the water (I almost havent seen them near water before). Maybe the humidity in the nest got low (I put some water to digfix before they moved but nothing after), so I put a little more water there also but only near to one side. I think my only complaint about this ant farm would be that it is not easy to add water to nest. I believe this may not be a need in the future but at the moment I am a bit confused what to do, as it is also quite impossible to measure the humidity of the nest environment.

 

This week, once I gave a few (3-4) fruit flies, and they took all of them. Also I gave a not so small spider, and they took it in pretty quick. They are still not taking seeds much (comparing the first days after they moved in). I am changing the seeds (and the type of seeds) every 2-3 days, so I guess it is not due to the type of the seeds, they just do not need it (not this much) and/or they have it inside already.

 

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#17 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted August 31 2024 - 6:48 AM

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Nice! Looks like this colony is doing well!

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#18 Offline Ernteameise - Posted September 1 2024 - 1:14 AM

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Lots of new brood, this is looking good.

This is why they took all the flies- they have new mouths to feed.



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Update week #4

 

They are still not collecting a noticeable amount of seeds from the outworld, but there are a lot in the nest, I guess that is why.

 

I also see them more and more near the water. I think I might have pushed the cylinder too much and blocked the water in the first week. Now I am being more careful.

 

If I remember right, I read Messor barbarus is active in the morning and the evening, when it is less hot. I also see the same behavior, particularly in the evening there is a lot more activity in the outworld.

 

I found one dead worker in the outworld. I assume it was a natural cause, the others seem to be OK.

 

The ready protein food (dried form) is still not successful. Fruit flies and spider is still successful.

 

There is no change in the nest in terms of the tunnels, there is still one straight deeper one where they mostly reside with the brood and one shallower. I was expecting actually they would do more digging, but I think now I understand since the colony size is small, they need only a very small space.

 

I am not sure about the status of the brood. I don't know if there is any new worker, it is quite hard to observe inside the nest with a high ISO camera, it is quite dark and I don't want to shine a light directly. It is also hard to count them now, many stays in the nest with the brood.

 

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also a video this time:

 


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#20 Offline mete - Posted September 14 2024 - 6:52 AM

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Update week #5

 

I have installed a lowest power I could find (4W) heat mat to the backwall (glass) of the outworld this week. The room is not particularly cold (always above 20C, and usually around 22C), but because the outside temperature has fallen rapidly this week and I would like to keep the outworld a little warmer than 22C, around 26C-28C, I installed the heat mat. It is connected to a smart plug and I set a schedule roughly imitating the daylight. I am still observing its effect in the outworld.

 

I again had a feeling that the nest became too dry so I added a little water today. The ants including the queen moved out of the tunnel they were always staying and now staying close to where I added the water. I think I was right but still observing.

 

I also made a small water pond totally filled with small stones from a metal bottle cap, and put it to the outworld. Just experimenting with the idea while waiting for some alternative liquid feeders.

 

I was wondering if they are more active in the night, so I have taken a timelapse. They were indeed very active all the night. After this, I have also taken a 24h timelapse (17K+ photos).

 

Spider and boiled chicken egg (yolk this time) was also well accepted this week.

 

Since they got out of their usual tunnel after I added water, I tried to count them, and I believe there are ~5 new members since I got the colony.

 

Some photos:

 

I believe they are working on an ant bread:

 

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A glimpse of the queen:

 

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The 24h timelapse:

 


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