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Understanding queens/gamergates?


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#1 Offline HumbleAnt - Posted July 31 2024 - 2:18 PM

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Hello,

 

New to the forum here! thank you for the welcome. 

 

I came across some fascinating videos on YouTube regarding gamer gates and Harpagnathos Venator ants. I hear words like infertile queen, alates, worker, drone, inbreeding, ants that can take over but must be "mated," males are useless for the colony etc.

 

Something that fascinates me is this idea of gamer gates but I do not understand it fully at this time. I have been doing some reading but I was wondering if there was someone that could break it down for me as if I was a 5th grader?

 

My understanding and questions:

A normal colony consists of a queen and her (male?) workers. A queen can produce worker ants or sometimes flying male or female ants (presumably males and queens which would normally go off and mate but don't for some reason?) When the queen dies then then the male workers have the ability to mate with other male workers and produce eggs now?

 

Some people mention how they have colonies with no queen since she died and only workers (they are scared the colony is done for) and they are eagerly awaiting the brood to hatch to see if they can get some mating to happen? Wouldn't the existing workers just mate with each other and start producing eggs?

 

Thank you for entertaining my education!

 

- Humbleant



#2 Offline The_Gaming-gate - Posted August 1 2024 - 6:57 AM

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Worker ants are female across all ant species, and if the queen dies, the ants really won’t be able to do much of anything about it, and the colony will no longer grow.
Worker ants (in species with queens) are sterile and cannot mate.

In species with gamergates (fertile workers) the gamergate (a worker chosen to lay eggs) will mate with male alates in the area, and then begin to lay eggs. In the event the gamergate were to die, newly hatched workers will select a gamergate (from the species I’ve seen, this happens via a fight). Said gamergate will find a male to continue the cycle.

I hope this answers your questions - The Gaming-gate.
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#3 Offline HumbleAnt - Posted August 1 2024 - 9:44 AM

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Thank you so much for your reply!

 

So to clarify, in a species with gamer gates, all worker offspring from the queen will be "female fertile workers." Compared to non gamer gate species which produce "female infertile workers"?

 

Gamergate species Queens can also produce male alates randomly which can mate with the chosen female gamer gate worker?

 

What happens if a queen dies and then there are only female fertile workers and no alates in the colony? I presume this means death for the colony?

 

In a normal healthy colony do male alates live side by side with the female infertile workers or do they die off if they don't mate within the first few days of life?

 

If a successful transition to a gamer gate based colony happens, will the gamergate also produce female fertile workers and male alates just like the queen?

 

Thank you - Humbleant


Edited by HumbleAnt, August 1 2024 - 9:45 AM.

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#4 Offline The_Gaming-gate - Posted August 1 2024 - 11:25 AM

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Thank you so much for your reply!

So to clarify, in a species with gamer gates, all worker offspring from the queen will be "female fertile workers." Compared to non gamer gate species which produce "female infertile workers"?

Gamergate species Queens can also produce male alates randomly which can mate with the chosen female gamer gate worker?

What happens if a queen dies and then there are only female fertile workers and no alates in the colony? I presume this means death for the colony?

In a normal healthy colony do male alates live side by side with the female infertile workers or do they die off if they don't mate within the first few days of life?

If a successful transition to a gamer gate based colony happens, will the gamergate also produce female fertile workers and male alates just like the queen?

Thank you - Humbleant

Gamergate species do not have queens, as the egg layer will be the fertile worker ant (“gamergate”).

Male alates will hatch from infertile eggs, sometimes from unmated gamergates (or queens in non-gamergate species) or produced intentionally.

Depending on the species, males living in the nest may stay for a few weeks, die in a few days, or even be killed by colony members if they stay too long.


Queen-based species can not transistion to become a gamergate species, and vice versa.

Edited by The_Gaming-gate, August 1 2024 - 11:26 AM.

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#5 Offline OwlThatLikesAnts - Posted August 1 2024 - 11:30 AM

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Thank you so much for your reply!

So to clarify, in a species with gamer gates, all worker offspring from the queen will be "female fertile workers." Compared to non gamer gate species which produce "female infertile workers"?

Gamergate species Queens can also produce male alates randomly which can mate with the chosen female gamer gate worker?

What happens if a queen dies and then there are only female fertile workers and no alates in the colony? I presume this means death for the colony?

In a normal healthy colony do male alates live side by side with the female infertile workers or do they die off if they don't mate within the first few days of life?

If a successful transition to a gamer gate based colony happens, will the gamergate also produce female fertile workers and male alates just like the queen?

Thank you - Humbleant

Gamergate species do not have queens, as the egg layer will be the fertile worker ant (“gamergate”).

Male alates will hatch from infertile eggs, sometimes from unmated gamergates (or queens in non-gamergate species) or produced intentionally.

Depending on the species, males living in the nest may stay for a few weeks, die in a few days, or even be killed by colony members if they stay too long.


Queen-based species can not transistion to become a gamergate species, and vice versa.

 

gamergate species DO have queens but usually it is just a dominant worker in charge of egg laying 


Currently keeping:

 

1x Solenopsis molesta

1x Formica subsericea (polygynous) has WORKERS!!!  :yahoo: RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

2x Lasius niger (one is polygynous and the other is monogynous) 


#6 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted August 1 2024 - 12:31 PM

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I have a bit of a spiel on the adjacent topic of the origin of colony structure and the basic caste system that I'd written previously:

Evolutionarily speaking, workers are just underdeveloped queens. In most other non-eusocial animals, every individual is a reproductive. Ants evolved from a regular solitary wasp, just females and males. There's a few theories for exactly how the transition to eusociality started, but it is all just a very modified form of that starting point of a solitary wasp.

At risk of anthropomorphizing evolution:
The female wants her reproductive offspring to be as strong as possible, and the best way to do that is to have more help raising the kids. But other wasps aren't gonna voluntarily help her raise her offspring, unless they have no choice. So the species evolves to have the females deliberately stunt their first generation of offspring, and said stunted offspring are no longer as reproductively fit. So the next best option for the stunted offspring that want to still spread their genes is to help their family members (in this case their next generation of sisters) to be extra strong and fit. This eventually got to the point that the female lived quite a while and developed a spermatheca, and the stunted forms of the females lost their wings, and there started being more and more generations in each "family", and boom, you have the basis of a primitive ant.

So in evolutionary terms, workers are deliberately underdeveloped queens, that, since they are unable to reproduce very well on their own, resort to helping their relatives, the colony. Workers in ants, and all other eusocial hymenopterans, are all females, all have ovaries (though usually quite small or vestigial compared to the queens'), though in other eusocial insects like termites the workers are male and female.

The specifics of colony reproductive structure vary a lot between species. In some cases the workers aren't as strongly reduced from their "original" queen form, and still have spermathecae and developed ovaries, and thus can still function as a queen if not actively suppressed by the dominant queen in the colony. In others, they've lost the ability to do anything but lay unfertilized male eggs. In others, the workers have developed the ability to lay diploid female eggs without mating by cloning themselves.

 

In a colony of a typical species, there will be one or more queens, which lay either unfertilized, haploid eggs which develop into males, or fertilized, diploid eggs that develop into females, either workers or new female reproductives. The male and female reproductives participate in mating flights after which the females drop their wings and found a new colony.

 

There are many species with gamergates and the exact colony structure varies greatly between species. Some species, as mentioned above, have workers with more developed ovaries and a spermatheca. These workers are capable of mating and producing fertile, diploid eggs that can develop into female reproductives and/or workers, and these fertile workers that take up egg-laying roles are referred to as gamergates. Some genera, (e.g. Diacamma, Dinoponera, Ophthalmopone, Streblognathus, some Rhytidoponera) completely lack a gyne ("queen") caste, and reproduce only through gamergates. In other ants, gamergates exist in addition to regular gynes and serve as secondary reproductives. In others, a gamergate worker will take the place of the original gyne queen when she dies. Gamergates will sometimes inbreed with males from their own nest, sometimes they will leave to outbreed and then return. In the case of Harpegnathos, they do a bit of everything. They have regular gynes that outbreed and disperse and found new colonies, and have gamergates that co-occur with the gyne queens, but also can have the gamergates take up the position of queen after the death of the gyne queen. In this way, colonies of Harpegnathos can in theory last forever, or at least until they become too inbred; I have personally seen colonies of H. saltator in the ASU ant lab that are multiple decades old.


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