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#1 Offline Alabama Anter - Posted July 28 2024 - 3:23 AM

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Hey everyone long time no see haha. It feels only a while ago I was spam posting on Formiculture every minute and flipping over every rock outside in hopes of finding a colony or a founding queen. For people who may not know me I was/am Alabama Anter and I honestly just wanted to come on here and share my experiences I have had keeping ants (on and off) since around 2015/2016, and more specifically what I was unfortunately infamous for; selling and trading ants illegally across state/international borders. Sharing my experiences, trials, and tribulations, I hope, will help any younger readers now and in the future during the exciting hobby of ant keeping, and hopefully will be an entertaining read for the many people I crossed paths with when I was younger.  :D

 

I was always into flora and fauna as a kid growing up, but I originally got into ant keeping through the Boy Scouts of America funnily enough. My parents were big into the whole Boy Scouts and I was a pretty outdoorsy kid growing up, so I joined in the 5th grade. During one of the summer camps I attended, I attempted to get an insect merit badge, needed to progress to the next rank. One of the requirements needed to complete the course for the merit badge was to either start an ant farm or a beehive. It was a no-brainer for me. As I did research on how to start an ant farm, the obvious gel farms popped up, but I knew from previous experiences, gel farms did not keep ants alive. As I surfed the web I quickly stumbled upon a certain YouTube channel; AntsCanada. That was my first window into the world of ant keeping. As I began to catch my first queen ants and start my first colonies, I quickly found Formiculture, the AntsCanada forums, and my mom's Facebook account to be the best way to discuss about my interest for the hobby.

 

Fast forward a few months, and I had began keeping several decent sized colonies and more and more queens were being caught daily. I had also made my own Facebook account to document my journey of keeping said ants. Constant posting on Facebook ant groups eventually lead to me being reached out to by several people and companies who wanted to purchase ants from me. At the time, I was located in Tuscaloosa, AL (Roll Tide), and Alabama notoriously is famous for having an insane biodiversity of invertebrates; ants included. This resulted in many people wanting to purchase certain species that I had access to; Solenopsis invicta, Odontomachus sp, Pogonomyrmex badius, and Cephalotes sp. to name just a few. Being a kid freshly entering middle school, the hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars being offered to me was too good to resist. I was mind-blown; I could make good money doing something I absolutely love and enjoy?! Sign me up.

 

I began to sell ants locally at first, via the GAN project, mainly due to me being apprehensive about shipping ants in the mail, but that was soon overcome when my first few shipments went perfectly well without any hassle. At this point in my budding 'career' I had no idea about the laws surrounding shipping ants across state lines, much less international lines. However, as my customer base grew and my reputation as well, I quickly found out that it was in fact illegal to do so. This however, was easily overlooked by my younger self. I felt that what I was doing was non-consequential and like I mentioned before, profiting off of a hobby was like a dream come true. I began to expand my little 'operation' and after around 6 months of me originally selling ants, I was receiving and sending ants through the mail literally every day. At one point, I had a 'supplier' in every continent besides Antarctica. With me being so public and open about his whole 'business', I started receiving backlash and rightfully so. I had many people in this forum and one Facebook call me out, try and talk to me, and argue with me. As a middle schooler however, this was nothing but excitement for me. Even when I would get 'hate' or even when insults would be hurled my way, it was enjoyable to me. It was enjoyable because it was about ants. I truly enjoyed the hobby and learning about ants. I was just headed in the wrong direction.

 

Eventually however, everything caught up with me. I had gotten constant warnings and threats from people online about reporting me to authorities, even screenshots of emails they had sent to USDA or APHIS, but what got me caught was hilariously a YouTube video I had made about a colony of Myrmecia sp I had received. On the way back from soccer practice in the car, my dad got a call from an unknown number and he picked up. It was from a USDA agent and she was asking if he was me thinking I was some grown adult. This eventually lead to me talking to her on the phone and immediately confessing to everything  :rolleyes:. Within 3 days, the agent and a couple of her helpers came to my house and picked up every test tube, every terrarium, every formicarium I had and loaded it up onto trucks. My colonies that I had taken care of for years were seized and sent to Silver Spring, MD to be incinerated  :*(. Thankfully, the USDA agent was very understanding and was able to see my passion and love for ants and ant keeping. She gave me a lot of leeway and I was not charged or hit with anything. In fact, she encouraged me not to give up on ants and gave me her contact info so I could contact her anytime I had a question. To this day I am very thankful to her and her team for the encouragement I received.

 

After the dust settled, I could not bring myself to start from 0 again, and I slowly stepped away from ants and the hobby in general. Life also came at me fast, as I began to grow up (I graduated middle school  :lol:) and was enamored with other things. I would occasionally stalk the forum throughout the years, but never really got fully back into keeping ants. The eye for spotting queens can't be lost I've found out though lmao. After practice or even just during errands, I would catch myself looking down at the ground and my eyes instinctively follow the newly landed alates. 

 

I was compelled to write this wall of text mainly because I witnessed a nuptial flight this past afternoon, and all the memories came flooding back in. Thankfully, I was able to remember my Formiculture password haha. I am now entering my sophomore year of college and to say ants and this hobby shaped me to be who I am today would be an understatement. Even the whole illegal business aspect of things helped me realize what I wanted to do with my life and what I was good at. If you reached all the way to the end, thanks for reading and happy anting!


Edited by Alabama Anter, July 28 2024 - 3:27 AM.

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#2 Offline BleepingBleepers - Posted July 28 2024 - 10:41 AM

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Thanks for the read and being honest with the whole thing. You seem like a down to Earth kinda person.

 

I'm surprised that they did NOT fine you but ALSO let you keep all the profits from selling those ants, being a minor or not. Funny because yesterday I was watching a video of a employee thief that got caught stealing $2,200 bucks after just 10 days. He had that "yeah, I did it, what'cha gonna do about it? Nothing because I'm 17 and a minor". It was his 3rd time doing it too. His face and attitude melted when he found out that the location where he moved to, 17 was actually considered an adult and he was going to jail. His attitude went from smug and feeling invincible to crying to his mommy (which he called BRO) If I called my mom 'bro', I'd smack MYSELF for being disrespectful and just 'cringe'. ANYHOW, lol, some leniency can be a blessing and a learning experience for some, while others abuse it and roll their eyes at the law and never really improve, I have mix feelings on this.

 

Anyhow, once again, appreciate the share and hope you have a bright future. Sharing and being honest is, in a sense, a way of making amends.

 

I can't exactly knock anyone for NOT being the perfect citizen / animal keeper, I make tons of mistakes too, a lot of Homer Simpson 'DOH!' in my life.

 

Nice to meet you, hope to see you around more.


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#3 Offline NotAxo - Posted July 28 2024 - 11:11 AM

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A bit too open, but I have to ask. How much money did you make? Man, that's a crazy story to be honest
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#4 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 28 2024 - 12:41 PM

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I’m still a kid and started ant keeping a few months ago. But at least I know about all the ant shipping laws and know not to make the same mistake.
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#5 Offline Stubyvast - Posted July 28 2024 - 12:55 PM

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Wow love this story! Me being pretty young myself, this is definitely relatable, and something I'd really like to do, despite the scarcity of certain ant species in B.C. My personal, and probably pretty misguided, dream, is to eventually get my biology degree in Toronto, teach it at schools, and potentially start a business. Your post made me have some questions, however, as my business idea (me and a couple of friends, including IdioticMouse26, working together on this) is to sell feeder insects, ant colonies, and 3d printed formicaria and other insect-keeping supplies, to people in British Columbia and Canada as a whole. I'd like to call this company Columbia Ant Colony, or something similar.

As you have a bit of experience in this area, Alabama Anter, would you say this is feasible? This is kind of my dream for the future, and I believe that, because of your success selling ants, this could very well become possible! 

Hope you can give some good advice! (Especially so that I don't accidentally ship stuff illegally, haha)

Thanks.


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Myrmica rubra (1 queen +  ~5 workers)

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Formica pacifica (Queen)

Also keeping a friend's tetramorium immigrans for the foreseeable future. Thanks CoffeBlock!


#6 Offline Alabama Anter - Posted July 28 2024 - 5:41 PM

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Thanks for the read and being honest with the whole thing. You seem like a down to Earth kinda person.

 

I'm surprised that they did NOT fine you but ALSO let you keep all the profits from selling those ants, being a minor or not. Funny because yesterday I was watching a video of a employee thief that got caught stealing $2,200 bucks after just 10 days. He had that "yeah, I did it, what'cha gonna do about it? Nothing because I'm 17 and a minor". It was his 3rd time doing it too. His face and attitude melted when he found out that the location where he moved to, 17 was actually considered an adult and he was going to jail. His attitude went from smug and feeling invincible to crying to his mommy (which he called BRO) If I called my mom 'bro', I'd smack MYSELF for being disrespectful and just 'cringe'. ANYHOW, lol, some leniency can be a blessing and a learning experience for some, while others abuse it and roll their eyes at the law and never really improve, I have mix feelings on this.

 

Anyhow, once again, appreciate the share and hope you have a bright future. Sharing and being honest is, in a sense, a way of making amends.

 

I can't exactly knock anyone for NOT being the perfect citizen / animal keeper, I make tons of mistakes too, a lot of Homer Simpson 'DOH!' in my life.

 

Nice to meet you, hope to see you around more.

Yeah I was very surprised myself and my parents more so with the leniency I received. I truly believe the USDA agent had the best intentions and saw me as a little kid (mind you I was in middle school lmao), learning about the natural world and whatnot. Also, I really don't think they knew the scale at which I was doing things; including income since all of it was technically under my dad's name including taxes and whatnot.


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#7 Offline Alabama Anter - Posted July 28 2024 - 5:42 PM

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A bit too open, but I have to ask. How much money did you make? Man, that's a crazy story to be honest

I won't disclose exactly how much I made, but with good investments I have made the original sum stretch all the way into paying for my current school which I am paying out of state tuition for. I made a decent amount haha.


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#8 Offline Alabama Anter - Posted July 28 2024 - 5:49 PM

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Wow love this story! Me being pretty young myself, this is definitely relatable, and something I'd really like to do, despite the scarcity of certain ant species in B.C. My personal, and probably pretty misguided, dream, is to eventually get my biology degree in Toronto, teach it at schools, and potentially start a business. Your post made me have some questions, however, as my business idea (me and a couple of friends, including IdioticMouse26, working together on this) is to sell feeder insects, ant colonies, and 3d printed formicaria and other insect-keeping supplies, to people in British Columbia and Canada as a whole. I'd like to call this company Columbia Ant Colony, or something similar.

As you have a bit of experience in this area, Alabama Anter, would you say this is feasible? This is kind of my dream for the future, and I believe that, because of your success selling ants, this could very well become possible! 

Hope you can give some good advice! (Especially so that I don't accidentally ship stuff illegally, haha)

Thanks.

I don't think your dream is misguided at all. Doing what you love as a job is an unbelievable thing to accomplish/shoot for. 

 

To answer your question, take a look at how many ant keeping related businesses there are in the space already. Even back when I was keeping ants, I felt that there were a lot of companies and not as much demand. However, times may have changed and the key to business in my experience is to innovate, completely dominate a niche, or do something THAT much better than your competitors. The main reason why I was so 'successful' was due to me being one of the first in the USA to aggressively promote and scale my 'business' at the time. It was based on me being stupid for the most part, but it does not change the fact that I took advantage of a market niche, and I was able to provide certain services better than others. 

 

Saying all that however, I truly believe it was my passion and knowledge that made me so successful. If you are passionate enough about something you can succeed. Best of luck to you and your friends' future endeavors!


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#9 Offline ANTdrew - Posted July 29 2024 - 1:28 AM

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Unfortunately, my sense, at least here in the US, is that demand is lower now than five or six years ago. The market is pretty full of ant companies by now as well. I made 2k selling local ants four years ago. This year I’ve made around $40.00.
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I think it’s important to point out the possible ecological impact of the selling of non local species. Ants are a resilient family and where we believe they may not survive and thrive, they may be able to.

There’s still a lot of room for innovation as far as products and ant keeping is just not promoted as much due to being mostly misunderstood as a pest.

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Unfortunately, my sense, at least here in the US, is that demand is lower now than five or six years ago. The market is pretty full of ant companies by now as well. I made 2k selling local ants four years ago. This year I’ve made around $40.00.

Okay good to know! Yeah I figured that this would be a problem with the amount of companies selling ants these days, I wouldn't make so much money. However selling feeder insects could help boost this at least a little. I also suspect that in Canada, specifically B.C, the concentration of ant keeping stores is much lower, so I might be more successful than an equivalent small business in, say, the U.S. Thanks for your help anyhow!

 

 

Wow love this story! Me being pretty young myself, this is definitely relatable, and something I'd really like to do, despite the scarcity of certain ant species in B.C. My personal, and probably pretty misguided, dream, is to eventually get my biology degree in Toronto, teach it at schools, and potentially start a business. Your post made me have some questions, however, as my business idea (me and a couple of friends, including IdioticMouse26, working together on this) is to sell feeder insects, ant colonies, and 3d printed formicaria and other insect-keeping supplies, to people in British Columbia and Canada as a whole. I'd like to call this company Columbia Ant Colony, or something similar.

As you have a bit of experience in this area, Alabama Anter, would you say this is feasible? This is kind of my dream for the future, and I believe that, because of your success selling ants, this could very well become possible! 

Hope you can give some good advice! (Especially so that I don't accidentally ship stuff illegally, haha)

Thanks.

I don't think your dream is misguided at all. Doing what you love as a job is an unbelievable thing to accomplish/shoot for. 

 

To answer your question, take a look at how many ant keeping related businesses there are in the space already. Even back when I was keeping ants, I felt that there were a lot of companies and not as much demand. However, times may have changed and the key to business in my experience is to innovate, completely dominate a niche, or do something THAT much better than your competitors. The main reason why I was so 'successful' was due to me being one of the first in the USA to aggressively promote and scale my 'business' at the time. It was based on me being stupid for the most part, but it does not change the fact that I took advantage of a market niche, and I was able to provide certain services better than others. 

 

Saying all that however, I truly believe it was my passion and knowledge that made me so successful. If you are passionate enough about something you can succeed. Best of luck to you and your friends' future endeavors!

 

Wow thanks man! Advice is very helpful! Yeah I agree with the "innovate, completely dominate a niche, or do something THAT much better than your competitors" part. I plan to do the former, the latter, and potentially the middle one! Thanks!

 

I think it’s important to point out the possible ecological impact of the selling of non local species. Ants are a resilient family and where we believe they may not survive and thrive, they may be able to.

There’s still a lot of room for innovation as far as products and ant keeping is just not promoted as much due to being mostly misunderstood as a pest.

Yes of course I did take this into consideration, as selling non-local species can potentially harm the environment. Thus, I am thinking of selling mainly local species, especially camponotus, which has a ton of variation! And yes, I have already experimented with a couple of 3d printed formicaria designs I've made that solve a lot of the frustrations I find with other companies' products. That will definitely provide that key element of innovation!


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Currently raising: 

Myrmica rubra (1 queen +  ~5 workers)

Lasius niger (single queen + ~90+ workers)

Lasius neoniger (3 single queen + brood)

Formica spp. (Queen [likely parasitic, needs brood])

Formica pacifica (Queen)

Also keeping a friend's tetramorium immigrans for the foreseeable future. Thanks CoffeBlock!





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