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Fragilis/Festinatus?

Started By ElisAnts , Jul 31 2024 8:31 PM

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#1 Offline ElisAnts - Posted July 31 2024 - 8:31 PM

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#2 Offline ANTdrew - Posted August 1 2024 - 2:50 AM

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Follow the id format in the template.
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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.

#3 Online OwlThatLikesAnts - Posted August 1 2024 - 7:24 AM

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it is leaning more towards the festinatus side because of how it is more darker and how it's patter is more similar but don't rely on my info too much 


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#4 Offline ANTdrew - Posted August 1 2024 - 9:11 AM

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it is leaning more towards the festinatus side because of how it is more darker and how it's patter is more similar but don't rely on my info too much

My advice is to wait and learn more before offering ids you are not confident about.
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#5 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted August 1 2024 - 12:41 PM

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It would help to know the size of this queen. C. festinatus tends to be larger than C. fragilis at least in queen size from what I’ve seen and heard (correct me if I’m wrong on this) whereas C. fragilis also tends to lack standing setae on pronotum according to AntWiki (but I believe this is for majors). Both species can be the same exact color in variants with an exception of C. fragilis being lighter in color but you never know. So just because this queen is darker doesn’t necessarily mean we should lean more toward festinatus side although it still could be. Since we don’t have any close ups of the pronotum (if it even applies), nor do we know size, we can’t correctly or at least fully accurately ID this queen (without following the ID format as ANTdrew suggested).

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3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

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#6 Offline mbullock42086 - Posted August 4 2024 - 9:43 PM

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Looks like C pudurosus, a member of the festinatus complex.  looks like fragilis but dark, generally found alongside them and flies at the same exact time.

i assume this came from mexico, az or new mexico- the species is largely mexican and central-american and barely pokes into arizona and extreme southwest new mexico.

  festinatus, fragilis and absquatulator look identical almost but festinatus has an obvious carina on the clypeus which is how you easily distinguish it from its siblings.


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#7 Offline ReignofRage - Posted August 5 2024 - 5:38 PM

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Camponotus vafer and C. pudorusus have similar coloration to the gyne depending on locale. It's one of the few times color can actually be that helpful. If it's from Arizona, then it is not C. pudorosus - if it's from Mexico, the chance of it being C. pudorosus is more likley due to C. pudorosus appearing to be a complex of 2-3 species. Camponotus fragilis is about as far from this queen as you can get. This is also assuming these are from North America to begin with, haha.


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#8 Offline mbullock42086 - Posted August 5 2024 - 6:55 PM

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Camponotus vafer and C. pudorusus have similar coloration to the gyne depending on locale. It's one of the few times color can actually be that helpful. If it's from Arizona, then it is not C. pudorosus - if it's from Mexico, the chance of it being C. pudorosus is more likley due to C. pudorosus appearing to be a complex of 2-3 species. Camponotus fragilis is about as far from this queen as you can get. This is also assuming these are from North America to begin with, haha.

didn't know that.  explains the unusual 'dark' form with the black head.


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