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New male (I thought it was a queen, probably pogonomyrmex)

Started By cooIboyJ , Jul 23 2024 7:42 PM

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#1 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 23 2024 - 7:42 PM

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Today me and my younger brother found a queen in the pool. (Sorry for any bad pictures)

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Edited by cooIboyJ, July 24 2024 - 3:09 PM.

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#2 Offline mbullock42086 - Posted July 23 2024 - 7:51 PM

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its a male harvester ant, probably rugosus


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#3 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted July 23 2024 - 8:07 PM

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Yeah no Honeypots sorry, and like mbullock43086 said it seems to be a harvester. 


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#4 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 23 2024 - 10:29 PM

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Look like something in the Pogonomyrmex-Occidentalis group. Not sure on the species. Could be rusgosus but it looks more red on the gaster.
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#5 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:14 AM

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its a male harvester ant, probably rugosus


Aren’t males supposed to have a smaller head in comparison to the rest of their body? Because this ants head is big compared to its body

Edited by cooIboyJ, July 24 2024 - 8:20 AM.

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#6 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:17 AM

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The body length is around 12mill

Edited by cooIboyJ, July 24 2024 - 1:58 PM.

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#7 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:41 AM

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is it possible to get a better pic. but it seems like a harvester.


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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#8 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:42 AM

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The size is around 12mill

Pogonomyemwx is kind of different with it's headsize being about the same as it's thorax and abdomen so it could be a male but we need better pics of the body and head to determine. Otherwise, it looks like a queen (more of an alate) to me.
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3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

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#9 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:44 AM

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The size is around 12mill

Pogonomyemwx is kind of different with it's headsize being about the same as it's thorax and abdomen so it could be a male but we need better pics of the body and head to determine. Otherwise, it looks like a queen (more of an alate) to me.

 

I agree with this.


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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#10 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 9:55 AM

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Hopefully these pictures help. I’m not the best at taking pics.

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Edited by cooIboyJ, July 24 2024 - 9:55 AM.

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#11 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 24 2024 - 10:03 AM

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With better pictures, yeah that looks more like a queen (or alate since it has wings).
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Keeping:

3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

Check out my C. nearcticus journal here: https://www.formicul...cticus-journal/

Check out my C. chromaiodes journal here: https://www.formicul...aiodes-journal/

#12 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted July 24 2024 - 10:14 AM

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It looks more like a queen with those pics. Can you get any in better lighting?


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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#13 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted July 24 2024 - 10:47 AM

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Definitely a male. The 3rd photo in the first post shows it the best.


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#14 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 11:30 AM

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How do you tell if it is a male?

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#15 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted July 24 2024 - 12:42 PM

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More reduced mandibles, gaster shape, shorter scape


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#16 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 1:18 PM

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What gaster shape should you look for?

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#17 Online GOCAMPONOTUS - Posted July 24 2024 - 1:23 PM

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Bigger gaster.


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Currently keeping: 2 C.vicinus colonies.2 C.sansabeanus. 1 C.leavissimus. 2 C.Ca02. 1 V.pergandei. 4 T.immigrans.1 F.pacifica. 1 C.hyatti

1 M.ergatognya

 

 

 

 

Trying to get my hands on :C.modoc,A.vercicolor, and Any Honeypots

  

 

 

#18 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 1:26 PM

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In comparison to what?

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#19 Offline cooIboyJ - Posted July 24 2024 - 1:48 PM

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I’ve just looked it up and it says that male pogonomyrmex alates are 6-8mill and queen alates are 8-12mill and this alate is 12mill.

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#20 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted July 24 2024 - 2:09 PM

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What gaster shape should you look for?

In some Pogonomyrmex males the third tergite is more strongly convex than the others, creating an appearance of two flat or at least slightly convex faces meeting at an angle, giving the gaster an overall appearance of having somewhat distinguished dorsal and declivitous faces. See this specimen: https://www.antweb.o...shot=p&number=1

 

 

I’ve just looked it up and it says that male pogonomyrmex alates are 6-8mill and queen alates are 8-12mill and this alate is 12mill.

What's the source for this? Is this for a particular species or across the genus? Pogonomyrmex is a large genus with pretty significant size variation between species. I don't know about the entire genus but for the typical North American clade of Pogonomyrmex (the barbatus, occidentalis, californicus groups), the queens and males aren't terribly disparate in size. See for example: https://www.inatural...tions/231290957


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