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Pheidole ID please

Started By Yajeez , Jul 23 2024 2:48 PM

Best Answer SHmealer , July 26 2024 - 12:56 AM

Definetly Pheidole bicarinata, dentigula queens are about 3mm and would be dwarfed by this queen. Bicarinata is highly variable in color being black to orange in coloration.

Adrianoi would be a good guess if it was darker and shorter but bicarinata are known for being more elongate.

Dentigula are absolutely miniscule, have wider heads, stockier and less elongate, and are flavens group while this is clearly pilifera group.
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#1 Offline Yajeez - Posted July 23 2024 - 2:48 PM

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I'm a bit confused. I’m
not sure if she’s a pheidole dentata queen or a pheidole bicarinata queen.


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#2 Offline ANTdrew - Posted July 23 2024 - 3:44 PM

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Providing more info would help narrow it down.
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#3 Offline Yajeez - Posted July 23 2024 - 4:37 PM

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I found her a in Atlanta, Ga. That’s about all the info I can provide


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#4 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 23 2024 - 10:38 PM

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Looks like P. adrianoi or Pheidole adrianoi.

Edit: More likely P. dentigula (look like adranoi with barely any light).

Edited by Artisan_Ants, July 24 2024 - 9:20 AM.

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1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

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#5 Offline Yajeez - Posted July 24 2024 - 2:51 AM

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Is that species in Georgia? Everything I’m reading keeps referring to Florida


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#6 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 24 2024 - 8:48 AM

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Is that species in Georgia? Everything I’m reading keeps referring to Florida
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It is a species found in Georgia according to Antweb. Species found in Florida most likely also have the same distribution through your state with limited difference's so it most definitely could occur. Otherwise another suggestion could be P. bicaranata but it looks a little dark to be it.
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Keeping:

3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

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#7 Offline Yajeez - Posted July 24 2024 - 9:10 AM

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Here’s a picture of her before she dropped her wings. This one has more light exposure. She’s not this light in color nor dark like the original picture. She’s in between both colors


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#8 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 24 2024 - 9:18 AM

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Here’s a picture of her before she dropped her wings. This one has more light exposure. She’s not this light in color nor dark like the original picture. She’s in between both colors
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The light makes it much easier to ID. Not P. adranoi nor P. bicaranata but P. dentigula or Pheidole dentigula.

Edited by Artisan_Ants, July 24 2024 - 9:18 AM.

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Keeping:

3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

Check out my C. nearcticus journal here: https://www.formicul...cticus-journal/

Check out my C. chromaiodes journal here: https://www.formicul...aiodes-journal/

#9 Offline Yajeez - Posted July 25 2024 - 11:00 PM

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She definitely looks like a Pheidole dentigula queen. Thank you so much for the help!


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#10 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 25 2024 - 11:33 PM

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She definitely looks like a Pheidole dentigula queen. Thank you so much for the help!
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No problem.

Keeping:

3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

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#11 Offline SHmealer - Posted July 26 2024 - 12:56 AM   Best Answer

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Definetly Pheidole bicarinata, dentigula queens are about 3mm and would be dwarfed by this queen. Bicarinata is highly variable in color being black to orange in coloration.

Adrianoi would be a good guess if it was darker and shorter but bicarinata are known for being more elongate.

Dentigula are absolutely miniscule, have wider heads, stockier and less elongate, and are flavens group while this is clearly pilifera group.
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dentigula for reference ^


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#12 Offline Artisan_Ants - Posted July 26 2024 - 2:25 AM

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The queen looked brighter in the light but I thought that this species could also be darker. I was thinking bicaranata but I felt like the head was too big for it. I researched on it but now we have actual pictures to P. dentigula so I belive you are right SHmealer and it is P. bicaranata (I know a couple things about Pheidole, but I don't see them everyday).

Edit: I figured now that the picture I identified this species fron was both P. crassicornis and P. dentigula thinking that both queens were dentigula, I said that P. dentigula had a darker color which I am wrong about.

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Keeping:

3x - S. molesta (colonies and single queen)                1x - C. nearcticus (founding but no eggs)   (y) New!

1x - C. chromaiodes (colony)                                       1x - C. subbarbatus (founding)  

1x - F. subsericea (founding)                                        1x - T. sessile (mega colony)

3x - P. imparis (colonies)  

2x - L. neoniger (founding)

 

Check out my C. nearcticus journal here: https://www.formicul...cticus-journal/

Check out my C. chromaiodes journal here: https://www.formicul...aiodes-journal/

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