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Sudden Camponotus worker deaths & strange black spot on mini hearth


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#1 Offline toe_biter606 - Posted March 10 2024 - 12:45 PM

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I caught a Camponotus novaeboracensis queen (my first colony) last spring and brought the colony out of diapause last week after 4 months. They're housed in a mini hearth with maybe 30-40 workers. Before the winter, I had been feeding them fruit flies, sugar water, and the occasional vacuum-sealed cockroach from the pet store. This year, I also added frozen crickets to their diet, but that's the only change I've made. 

 

I wasn't too worried when I saw the 3-4 dead, probably nanitic workers that ended up shredded and in the garbage pile the first few days after diapause ended. But there are currently ~5 much larger workers, resembling majors, that can't  be old enough to die of old age yet lying dead in the mini hearth. If they were there immediately after hibernation ended, I certainly didn't notice them. There have also been more shredded ant remains appearing in the trash pile, at least 3 within the last 2 days. 

 

I also recently noticed an unidentifiable black/brown spot in the corner of the formicarium right beside the water tower. It was difficult to see due to the foggy glass in this area, but I attached a photo (featuring two dead workers). I'm also concerned by the brown gunk covering the glass in this same area, but the rest of the nest looks completely clean. I do have a stronghold (which I intended to use later) that I could move them to if needed.

 

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Are these deaths cause for concern? Could they be connected to the filth that appeared in the formicarium? Would it be worth the stress of moving them into a THA stronghold to clean the stain? Thank you so much for any help.


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#2 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted March 10 2024 - 1:44 PM

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The black/brown spot is likely their bathroom.

 

Diapause can be rough on a colony. Did you offer them sugars during diapause?

 

As fair as the shredded ants, I've found Camponotus don't let good protein go to waste, even if it's their sisters. I would just keep an eye on them, offer them plenty of sugar and protein.


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#3 Offline futurebird - Posted March 10 2024 - 2:40 PM

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A little die off after diapause can be normal. This species is not as hearty as Camponotus pennslyvanicus. I think they are sensitive to disturbance. At 30+ you should be out of the fragile founding stage. I would NOT move them. They may even clean the nest. If you are very concerned you can offer a fresh test tube with water and see if they want to move the queen and brood there on their own? But unless the whole nest is gross it's not worth traumatizing them with a forced move. Just focus on feeding them now that they are awake. The queen should start laying eggs soon and their numbers should grow faster than they did last season.
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#4 Offline toe_biter606 - Posted March 10 2024 - 2:41 PM

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Ah, I don't know why I didn't think of the bathroom.

 

Yes, they had some sugar water in a feeder at all times during diapause. I definitely could have changed it a bit more often though.

 

I'll make sure to feed them well. Thank you so much!


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#5 Offline toe_biter606 - Posted March 10 2024 - 2:46 PM

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A little die off after diapause can be normal. This species is not as hearty as Camponotus pennslyvanicus. I think they are sensitive to disturbance. At 30+ you should be out of the fragile founding stage. I would NOT move them. They may even clean the nest. If you are very concerned you can offer a fresh test tube with water and see if they want to move the queen and brood there on their own? But unless the whole nest is gross it's not worth traumatizing them with a forced move. Just focus on feeding them now that they are awake. The queen should start laying eggs soon and their numbers should grow faster than they did last season.

Okay, I definitely won't move them. I guess I expected the die-off to happen during diapause instead of after it as well. Thank you!


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#6 Offline futurebird - Posted March 10 2024 - 2:51 PM

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My Camponotus pennslyvanicus colony had a nasty room like that and shortly after diapause they clean it all out dumping all the little black bits and whatever it was in their trash pile in the outworld. (Now I'm trying to understand why they are saving old silk cocoons in there.) But I think if the brood has a clean place to lie a small dirty area isn't a huge deal. My colony is much bigger, and their nest isn't "too big" they just really wanted an "indoor trash" ... maybe these larger cold-tolerant ants realize that in winter taking the trash outside isn't practical. 


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#7 Offline toe_biter606 - Posted March 10 2024 - 3:02 PM

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That seems like what mine are doing too. Twice since their diapause ended I woke up to find a massive pile of garbage conveniently dumped in the food dish. It's fascinating even if it worried me as a human. 


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