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Successful Parasitic Solenopsis amblychila with 100lols


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#1 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:12 AM

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Hello! This journal is beginning almost two months after the fact due to the uncertainty of success with this species. As well as my laziness, lol. This is also my first journal on the forum. Please feel free to reply with suggestions, questions, or comments that may make the journal easier to read. I’m attempting to include enough information for this to be recreated by anyone.

On September 9th, while hiking at Mount Woodson Trail in Ramona, California, it was just beginning to become dark. My eyes were scanning for any signs of ants and suddenly I stumbled upon a queen. I have caught many Solenopsis queens in the past and could tell right away from a distance that she was a Solenopsis species queen.

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She was gorgeous. But what was she? I posted an ID thread… 

Solenopsis amblychila

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#2 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:16 AM

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September 10th, I introduced two Solenopsis xyloni workers to the S. amblychila queen(one at a time) from a founding colony with about 10 workers and some brood. Then, I removed the queen from the S. xyloni colony with forceps, and connected the test tubes allowing the S. amblychila to be led into the nest by the two workers I gave her. She’s since taken on the role as queen.

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I would continue to feed the colony every 2-4 days. The colony was left in my ant cabinet that sits at 81 to 85 degrees F with the use of a heating cable. The colony's diet consists of sunburst or hummingbird nectar on cotton with pieces of mealworms, superworms, fruit flies, or small dubia roaches.

Tip: I use a small rectangle of tin foil as a plate to hold the cotton and insect bits. I swap to a new piece of foil each feeding. This keeps things cleaner and easier.

My thoughts on the S. amblychila founding process:

I feel it was better to use a colony from the same season the S. amblychila queen is found to ensure the colony isn’t too big to be taken over. But that’s just a hunch!

I really tried to think like the S. amblychila queen… I’d look for a founding queen with a big enough colony to be foraging. But also a small enough colony that she can still invade safely. I thought maybe she would be looking for a queen that started founding approximately June? That was because I found her September. Keep in mind, these ideas have no scientific backing. All just hypothetical thoughts and ideas. There were not many detailed examples to go off.

Something also tells me that it was important to give her the host colonies original test tube? It didn’t seem like it made sense to me to just brood boost her like normal. Another hunch of course.
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#3 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:18 AM

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October 3rd, the last of the colony's S. xyloni host workers had enclosed and the queen had a massive amount of brood! I couldn’t believe the success I was seeing, so far.

I would see S. xyloni workers grooming and climbing on the queen and almost have a heart attack. The thought of the workers figuring out her secret made me nervous, but she fit right in. The larvae were fat and happy!
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#4 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:21 AM

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October 12th, while feeding the colony, I decided to take a few shots of all the pupae. I was surprised to see such a big first generation. Then, upon further inspection, I noticed a HUGE clutch of eggs. Which gave me a sense of relief. This was all going so smooth… unlike any of the other journals I stumbled across.

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#5 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:25 AM

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October 21st, The first generation of beautiful Solenopsis amblychila had enclosed. Such amazing looking golden fire ants!!! There were already about 20 workers. I was nervous that disturbing the colony with feeding in their tube may lead to issues, so I started brainstorming a DIY test tube outworld... :hmm: & The tube also has started showing signs of mold as the cotton closest to the water is getting blacker by the day.

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#6 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:28 AM

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October 25th, the S. amblychila girls have successfully been connected to an outworld that should suffice for some time. I decided to also add a bamboo tube, as it would probably fill up pretty quick if these girls grow like my S. xyloni colonies. The host workers, that are left, are in charge of the foraging duties and nest protection while the first generation of S. amblychila are all caring for the queen and the young. Typical ant behavior, as the youngest workers are usually staying safe in the nest.

At first, when I saw all the S. xyloni workers separated from the colony, and pulling at the cotton… I began to fear an all out ant war! But from my research it’s common to see “leftover host workers.” I then realized, these girls are hungry! So after the outworld connection, I dropped in a chopped up superworm and some fruit flies on a water bottle cap feeding dish.

And we are up-to-date with everything I have to report about this colony. I post videos regularly of the colony(and others) on my Instagram if you’re interested. Same as my username on here!


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#7 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 7:31 AM

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It’s feeding day today! But I probably won’t have pictures until the next feeding. Hopefully the girls have taken a liking to their new outworld/bamboo tube. I’m not forcing the move, I’ll let them work it out. Unless I see a reason to intervene.

#8 Offline JustabirdfromFlorida - Posted October 30 2023 - 12:32 PM

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Pretty colors

Cute colony
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#9 Offline 100lols - Posted October 30 2023 - 1:17 PM

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Pretty colors

Cute colony


Couldn’t agree more. & it’s neat because I’ve never even seen S. amblychila workers in the wild.

#10 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 30 2023 - 2:18 PM

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Dang I feel like a failure lol. Idk why I can't succeed with these. 


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#11 Offline ANTdrew - Posted October 30 2023 - 6:26 PM

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Amazing colony!
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#12 Offline 100lols - Posted October 31 2023 - 2:52 AM

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Dang I feel like a failure lol. Idk why I can't succeed with these.

Don’t give up!! Your attempts helped me out.

#13 Offline 100lols - Posted October 31 2023 - 2:54 AM

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Amazing colony!

Agree! It’s been so exciting and different.

#14 Offline BleepingBleepers - Posted October 31 2023 - 7:38 AM

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Very sweet journal and I'm very excited for you!

 

I've been somewhat considering keeping a species in which they don't have to cocoon for a change to give it a variety.

 

Definitely trade off that hazy plastic container for glass or clear plastic like acrylic for viewing pleasure. I have my ants right on my pc table, they're great for admiring and relaxation when stress is building up for me, what about you?

 

Good luck man, keep us updated (y)


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#15 Offline 100lols - Posted October 31 2023 - 3:41 PM

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Very sweet journal and I'm very excited for you!

I've been somewhat considering keeping a species in which they don't have to cocoon for a change to give it a variety.

Definitely trade off that hazy plastic container for glass or clear plastic like acrylic for viewing pleasure. I have my ants right on my pc table, they're great for admiring and relaxation when stress is building up for me, what about you?

Good luck man, keep us updated (y)



So happy to have you stop by and check the journal out. Your journal style has definitely inspired me!! Very interested to see what you come up with for your next species. Having a variety is awesome because you get to see the different “personalities” of each colony.

I think my home is a bit too crazy to have any ants by my CPU. My son is one…hopefully enough said, lol. I’m draining a planted fish tank soon to use as an outworld in our bedroom. Which is HUGE for me, as my wife originally said, “No ants in the bedroom.” My ants are hidden away in my ant cabinet for now.

My favorite quality moments with my colonies are during feeding time. I don’t bother my colonies much outside of feedings lately.

The “test tube portal” is temporary! & I source some of my stuff from a store called Daiso, where everything is $1.75. Unfortunately, finding the perfect containers can be challenging. Function over aesthetics at times. But that won’t be forever! Wait until you see the formicarium I made for my ca02 colony :D
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#16 Offline bmb1bee - Posted October 31 2023 - 5:16 PM

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Can't wait to see these amblychila skyrocket in population! First time I've seen a successful journal on these, as well as pictures of the founding process.


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#17 Offline 100lols - Posted October 31 2023 - 9:19 PM

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Can't wait to see these amblychila skyrocket in population! First time I've seen a successful journal on these, as well as pictures of the founding process.


Same! Which is why this is my first journal. I really wanted to share this exciting experience and document things for future attempts. Thanks for stopping by! :)

#18 Offline 100lols - Posted November 12 2023 - 1:39 PM

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November 12th, the colony officially moved into their new bamboo tube! The outworld I made is working effectively and it’s made feeding easy. I used sticks and sticky tact for access paired with some cork to make the entrance smaller.

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They seem to be very neat and efficient ants. No problems with cleaning exoskeletons and then grinding them up for the trash pile. Wait until you see this brood pile…

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#19 Offline dspdrew - Posted November 12 2023 - 3:03 PM

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Wow I can't believe I didn't notice this journal until now. I should probably look at my own forum more often.

 

That is amazing you pulled it off. I don't think I have heard of anyone else doing it yet. I just looked at my old journal and it looks like I tried three different years and always failed. The furthest mine ever got was some eggs and possibly larvae.

 

I have been keeping a colony of S. xyloni just for this purpose, but I never found any S. amblychila queens this year. I haven't really found much of anything on my the black light in the hills the last few years for some reason. Your idea of just introducing the queen to a brand new S. xyloni colony seems like a good idea.

 

I'm going to have to try harder to get some more of these queens next season so I can give it another try.


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#20 Offline ANTdrew - Posted November 12 2023 - 4:15 PM

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Be careful with the cork entrance molding. I’ve tried something similar, and it always grows mold.
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