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Propo.Fol
, Aug 20 2023 7:51 PM
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#41 Offline - Posted September 23 2023 - 2:13 AM
Propo,
That’s exactly the type of display case you want. My favorite size is the one for mini helmets, but I use those for larger colonies.
Hot glue will work fine, but you really should add one more gadget to your list: a wood burning tool. You can use it to fuse your mesh directly onto the plastic with heat. Do that kind of work outside, though!
Clear packing tape on the back of your side holes is also a very effective way to block them.
I don’t think you’ll have any issue with fine sand, either.
That’s exactly the type of display case you want. My favorite size is the one for mini helmets, but I use those for larger colonies.
Hot glue will work fine, but you really should add one more gadget to your list: a wood burning tool. You can use it to fuse your mesh directly onto the plastic with heat. Do that kind of work outside, though!
Clear packing tape on the back of your side holes is also a very effective way to block them.
I don’t think you’ll have any issue with fine sand, either.
"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.
#42 Offline - Posted September 23 2023 - 12:17 PM
Awesome diy projects! You’ve been busy
The hot glue may be a weak point in your design, as you mentioned. I recently built some “tubs and tubes” setups as well and really enjoyed the process.
Yeah it was genuinely a good time, I was surprised how much fun I had putting them together. The slightly frosted appearance is sort of low key bugging me so I think I may order some of those hobby lobby cases and try again. I actually just went and stalked yur post history to find the tubs you made, pretty cool! Did you secure your mesh with heat? Some other adhesive? Looks much cleaner than mine be curious to find out what ya did.
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#43 Offline - Posted September 23 2023 - 12:27 PM
Propo,
That’s exactly the type of display case you want. My favorite size is the one for mini helmets, but I use those for larger colonies.
Hot glue will work fine, but you really should add one more gadget to your list: a wood burning tool. You can use it to fuse your mesh directly onto the plastic with heat. Do that kind of work outside, though!
Clear packing tape on the back of your side holes is also a very effective way to block them.
I don’t think you’ll have any issue with fine sand, either.
Hah, oops, didn't see this response when I replied to 100lols but that maybe what he did, a wood burning tool or something similar? It's gonna go on the wishlist I'm definitely going to order a few of those hobby lobby cases and give it a try maybe with epoxy glue next time, and if I still don't like that I'll pick one up. I see plenty of them on amazon for ~12-20 bucks, which seems like a small investment all considered!
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#44 Offline - Posted September 23 2023 - 4:40 PM
Wow! your ant colonies are growing!
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#45 Offline - Posted September 25 2023 - 7:30 AM
Awesome diy projects! You’ve been busy
The hot glue may be a weak point in your design, as you mentioned. I recently built some “tubs and tubes” setups as well and really enjoyed the process.
Yeah it was genuinely a good time, I was surprised how much fun I had putting them together. The slightly frosted appearance is sort of low key bugging me so I think I may order some of those hobby lobby cases and try again. I actually just went and stalked yur post history to find the tubs you made, pretty cool! Did you secure your mesh with heat? Some other adhesive? Looks much cleaner than mine be curious to find out what ya did.
That’s what it’s all about man! Enjoying the hobby and seeing our handy work in action. What I like about your cases is the taller sides, as the ants won’t be escaping easily after you add fluon.
Indeed, heat just looks the cleanest if you can do it right. I actually just used a lighter to heat the mesh and melt it to the lid. I used some metal tool to help push/bond the mesh flat(scissors would work fine). It’s not the prettiest on the inside I’ll admit, but the outside I got fairly neat looking.
I think another alternative is a food grade epoxy putty. That would be easy to work with.
Have you ever heard of Crazy Legs? You may enjoy watching some of his formicarium builds. I’ve learned a lot and just enjoy watching him work.
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#46 Offline - Posted August 11 2024 - 1:53 PM
Well it has been a while but I've really been having fun with the antkeeping hobby this summer and wanted to come do some updates.
Last year I ended up getting pretty bad pneumonia right after my last few updates and it just knocked me on my butt. For a few months afterwards while recovering I had no motivation to do anything, I barely kept my colonies going with the minimum amount of effort, and I sort of resented even the thought of my responsibilities. It was a weird time in my life, but it did pass and eventually they became a source of amazement and joy again.
After my recovery I made some new "tubs and tubes" setups using the hobby lobby display cases, and honestly, they work great! Fairly cheap and easy to make, easy to maintain, and good views. I've been very happy with them. They were essentially just the last tubs setup I made except with the higher quality display cases from hobby lobby. For the record the cases I used are found here: https://www.hobbylob...1412/p/80957046
Here is a photo of the setup I've been (mainly) using, I just put test tubes inside.
So I ended up releasing most of my excess colonies, keeping two Lasius and two Tetramorium colonies. I kept the Lasius colony I found with my daughter, the one with the damaged gaster, and one other (L2, for what is is worth). From the tetramorium colonies, I kept "C" and "E"
I was very delayed dealing with diapause going into the winter during my recovery from pneumonia. I was very, very unsure of putting my ants into the fridge and ignoring them for months. I used a thermometer and took readings from multiple locations in my fridge and determined my cheese drawer (???) was the “warmest” spot in the fridge, maybe 40-41*F. I was still nervous about putting them in and ended up splitting the difference, hibernating one colony of Tetramorium (“C”) and one colony of Lasius (L2). I’ve read T. immigrans does not need diapause, but given I caught them up here where winter gets quite cold, decided I’d try it with one colony. I’ve also read Lasius DO need it, but I was just very nervous about putting my favorite colony in a fridge and messing it up and killing them, so I wussed out, thinking “I can maybe diapause them later if it really becomes a problem.” To prepare them I gave lots of sugars and left them next to my bedroom window (hoping it was colder than the rest of the room) for a few weeks.
As to the colonies today, everyone is doing well, although the path has been mixed. Starting with my T. immigrans colony E, who I did not diapause. They have been growing rapidly, and are by far my largest, most successful colony. They are in one of my display case tubs setups, I’ve given them two test tubes. Added second when first was almost dry months ago. They never bothered moving out and are just split between the two, both ants and brood, and “for science” I am just letting them be instead of forcing a move. I am wondering if the single water tower keeps humidity in the whole nest high enough the last little bits of water behind the cotton aren’t diffusing out. Or if the tower is itself enough humidity.
Just a nice picture of one of the brood piles. Both tubes are filled with it.
I am thinking I want to move this colony into a “cooler” formicarium, maybe something dirt or digfix based once they get more numerous. These ladies seem fairly close to bullet proof and eat anything I give them.
T. immigrans colony “C” is the one I put through diapause. When I took them out, I thought everyone except the queen was dead, literally 100% of the workers. Fortunately many of the very, very dead looking workers did eventually wake up. Perhaps 1/3rd of the starting workers survived diapause. Despite starting the spring at a big disadvantage, this colony has exploded. They are less numerous than colony E, but are growing fast. I believe I will continue to diapause this colony and see how it compares to E as time passes. Coming out of diapause I placed this colony in a Wakooshi Venus nest. I really like this nest, it seems very practical for a smaller colony. When one tube dried out I just put in a second and unblocked the hole. Small outworld works well for feeding and escapees are never an issue since ants would need to crawl across fluon upside down. I am a big fan and would order more except my tubs setup works plenty fine as well!
Lots of brood in both tubes
Finally while taking photos the queen got angry at me and starting running around. Noticed she is missing part of one of her front legs! At least she seems none the worse for it.
Moving on to L2, my Lasius colony I placed in diapause. I am afraid to say they did very poorly. I had almost a 100% death rate with workers. Initially I believed only the queen survived, but fortunately two workers eventually revived. I believe(?) some of the brood survived as well based on time to new workers, but I could be wrong? Did not take good photos. Initially I put this colony in a tubs and tubes setup, however they were too timid to come out and get food, even if placed right at the test tube entrance. I ended up demoting them to “test tube in a dark quiet drawer” status, only coming out to feed or remove old food. They are now back up to 7 workers and a fair brood pile. When the current pupae group hatches their numbers should more than double and I hope to return them to the tubs setup.
My final colony is Lk, the Lasius colony I caught with my daughter. She is the one with the damaged gaster, whom I did not place in diapause. She was kicking [censored] until early spring, whereas the colonies growth rate slowed down substantially. While there was still developing brood it became so slow I felt I had to place them into diapause. Given my experience with L2’s diapause going so poorly, I ended up buying a wine cooler allowing me to slowly adjust the temperature down. I started them in diapause in late june, decreasing their temperature 1 degree F every other day till I hit 46. Unfortunately, the cooler crapped out on me when it got hot and would not keep the temperature down unless I ran the A/C all the time. So the ants are back in the fridge at 40*F until I can consistently get the cooler working, or replaced, or whatever the issue is. Plan is to keep them in for 3 months and hope for the best! No photos sadly since they're wrapped up in the fridge.
I am sad to report my quest for new colonies this spring and summer has been a total bust. Despite looking constantly everywhere I go, and carrying tubes around so much my wife is making fun of me, haven’t found any promising candidates. I found a batch of parasitic lasius earlier in the summer in a relatives swimming pool, however they all rapidly died. I collected some local lasius workers and tried varying introduction methods, but the queens never did anything but kill them. None of them ever removed their wings. Was fun to try regardless. I found a TON of Tetramorium immigrans queens, but did not feel any need to have more of them. If I don’t catch anyone new by end of summer I might allow myself to order one new colony online.
That’s where I am at! Always appreciate any advice/insight/etc from ya all. Especially if anyone knows where I went wrong with the diapause and/or if my new plan with the wine cooler is likely to work better.
-Propo
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#47 Offline - Posted August 12 2024 - 10:00 AM
Well it has been a while but I've really been having fun with the antkeeping hobby this summer and wanted to come do some updates.
Last year I ended up getting pretty bad pneumonia right after my last few updates and it just knocked me on my butt. For a few months afterwards while recovering I had no motivation to do anything, I barely kept my colonies going with the minimum amount of effort, and I sort of resented even the thought of my responsibilities. It was a weird time in my life, but it did pass and eventually they became a source of amazement and joy again.
After my recovery I made some new "tubs and tubes" setups using the hobby lobby display cases, and honestly, they work great! Fairly cheap and easy to make, easy to maintain, and good views. I've been very happy with them. They were essentially just the last tubs setup I made except with the higher quality display cases from hobby lobby. For the record the cases I used are found here: https://www.hobbylob...1412/p/80957046
Here is a photo of the setup I've been (mainly) using, I just put test tubes inside.
So I ended up releasing most of my excess colonies, keeping two Lasius and two Tetramorium colonies. I kept the Lasius colony I found with my daughter, the one with the damaged gaster, and one other (L2, for what is is worth). From the tetramorium colonies, I kept "C" and "E"
I was very delayed dealing with diapause going into the winter during my recovery from pneumonia. I was very, very unsure of putting my ants into the fridge and ignoring them for months. I used a thermometer and took readings from multiple locations in my fridge and determined my cheese drawer (???) was the “warmest” spot in the fridge, maybe 40-41*F. I was still nervous about putting them in and ended up splitting the difference, hibernating one colony of Tetramorium (“C”) and one colony of Lasius (L2). I’ve read T. immigrans does not need diapause, but given I caught them up here where winter gets quite cold, decided I’d try it with one colony. I’ve also read Lasius DO need it, but I was just very nervous about putting my favorite colony in a fridge and messing it up and killing them, so I wussed out, thinking “I can maybe diapause them later if it really becomes a problem.” To prepare them I gave lots of sugars and left them next to my bedroom window (hoping it was colder than the rest of the room) for a few weeks.
As to the colonies today, everyone is doing well, although the path has been mixed. Starting with my T. immigrans colony E, who I did not diapause. They have been growing rapidly, and are by far my largest, most successful colony. They are in one of my display case tubs setups, I’ve given them two test tubes. Added second when first was almost dry months ago. They never bothered moving out and are just split between the two, both ants and brood, and “for science” I am just letting them be instead of forcing a move. I am wondering if the single water tower keeps humidity in the whole nest high enough the last little bits of water behind the cotton aren’t diffusing out. Or if the tower is itself enough humidity.
Just a nice picture of one of the brood piles. Both tubes are filled with it.
I am thinking I want to move this colony into a “cooler” formicarium, maybe something dirt or digfix based once they get more numerous. These ladies seem fairly close to bullet proof and eat anything I give them.
T. immigrans colony “C” is the one I put through diapause. When I took them out, I thought everyone except the queen was dead, literally 100% of the workers. Fortunately many of the very, very dead looking workers did eventually wake up. Perhaps 1/3rd of the starting workers survived diapause. Despite starting the spring at a big disadvantage, this colony has exploded. They are less numerous than colony E, but are growing fast. I believe I will continue to diapause this colony and see how it compares to E as time passes. Coming out of diapause I placed this colony in a Wakooshi Venus nest. I really like this nest, it seems very practical for a smaller colony. When one tube dried out I just put in a second and unblocked the hole. Small outworld works well for feeding and escapees are never an issue since ants would need to crawl across fluon upside down. I am a big fan and would order more except my tubs setup works plenty fine as well!
Lots of brood in both tubes
Finally while taking photos the queen got angry at me and starting running around. Noticed she is missing part of one of her front legs! At least she seems none the worse for it.
Moving on to L2, my Lasius colony I placed in diapause. I am afraid to say they did very poorly. I had almost a 100% death rate with workers. Initially I believed only the queen survived, but fortunately two workers eventually revived. I believe(?) some of the brood survived as well based on time to new workers, but I could be wrong? Did not take good photos. Initially I put this colony in a tubs and tubes setup, however they were too timid to come out and get food, even if placed right at the test tube entrance. I ended up demoting them to “test tube in a dark quiet drawer” status, only coming out to feed or remove old food. They are now back up to 7 workers and a fair brood pile. When the current pupae group hatches their numbers should more than double and I hope to return them to the tubs setup.
My final colony is Lk, the Lasius colony I caught with my daughter. She is the one with the damaged gaster, whom I did not place in diapause. She was kicking [censored] until early spring, whereas the colonies growth rate slowed down substantially. While there was still developing brood it became so slow I felt I had to place them into diapause. Given my experience with L2’s diapause going so poorly, I ended up buying a wine cooler allowing me to slowly adjust the temperature down. I started them in diapause in late june, decreasing their temperature 1 degree F every other day till I hit 46. Unfortunately, the cooler crapped out on me when it got hot and would not keep the temperature down unless I ran the A/C all the time. So the ants are back in the fridge at 40*F until I can consistently get the cooler working, or replaced, or whatever the issue is. Plan is to keep them in for 3 months and hope for the best! No photos sadly since they're wrapped up in the fridge.
I am sad to report my quest for new colonies this spring and summer has been a total bust. Despite looking constantly everywhere I go, and carrying tubes around so much my wife is making fun of me, haven’t found any promising candidates. I found a batch of parasitic lasius earlier in the summer in a relatives swimming pool, however they all rapidly died. I collected some local lasius workers and tried varying introduction methods, but the queens never did anything but kill them. None of them ever removed their wings. Was fun to try regardless. I found a TON of Tetramorium immigrans queens, but did not feel any need to have more of them. If I don’t catch anyone new by end of summer I might allow myself to order one new colony online.
That’s where I am at! Always appreciate any advice/insight/etc from ya all. Especially if anyone knows where I went wrong with the diapause and/or if my new plan with the wine cooler is likely to work better.
-Propo
I love seeing this progress! As ANTdrew mentioned, I also use the hobby lobby display cases for my outworlds, and have done so for years. Epoxy has been my go to in order to attach the mesh to the plastic, as it is very durable and most importantly, melts to the plastic. The wood burning method is fascinating, and I have yet to try it. One thing you may wish to try is creating the floor layer of your outworld out of sanded grout. Menard's or any other warehouse store usually sells small cups of them for a very affordable price. This way, ants will not move their colony into the sand, bring loads of the sand into test tubes, nest under rocks, or otherwise do about anything to make your life miserable. I have had great success covering the grout, while it is drying, with vermiculite, as it readily absorbs any water leakage or condensation, and provides a media for the ants to use to either increase or decrease the humidity in their test tube. Leaving the ants in charge of this important task can help increase the productivity of the colony.
As for your parasitic lasius queens, they appear to be in the Acanthomyops subgenus, which is known to be one of the most touchy species to keep(Detailed guide here if you ever catch them again). In my experience, these queens will never last over a week in a test tube when they don't have host workers. Even with host workers, their success is very low. Just a few weeks ago, my L. interjectus queen, which had been accepted by some L. brevicornis workers with many pupae, randomly died from unknown causes.
Using a wine cooler is definitely the best idea for diapause, so it is unfortunate that yours ended up not being able to go colder. That being said, 46 degrees is not a horrible temperature to keep your ants at, and should suffice for diapause. As for ants dying while being in the fridge, this is something I believe is fairly common for the weaker and older workers, so you should not have to worry about it. That, or the temperature is too cold(in the wild, and especially with lasius, ants usually have feet of insulation, ie. dirt, to keep them warm). Maybe think about trying a warmer temperature for next years hibernation. Hope this was helpful!
-Ants_Dakota
Edited by Ants_Dakota, August 12 2024 - 10:08 AM.
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#48 Offline - Posted August 14 2024 - 12:58 PM
Appreciate the response Ants_Dakota!
I made one attempt with epoxy which did not work, I assume due to using the wrong type or more likely user error on my end . Will have to look into trying again for the next generation! I've got a bag of grout from hobby lobby and I plan on giving it a shot next time around as well. I'll pickup some vermiculite locally in lieu of a sand topper, the moisture absorbing characteristics sound promising!
I'm sorry to hear about the interjectus queen -- I can imagine it is quite disappointing after getting the queen accepted successfully to have it die for causes unknown!. I actually did review that thread and some other sources when I made my attempts. My expectations were low and it was fun to make the attempt even if they went nowhere. I saw one source mention that queens who had not shed their wings would not attempt to adopt a colony, I am wondering if the near pool drowning interrupted their normal biological signals. I was surprised to see, as you mentioned, that most died within about a week and it is reassuring to learn this is fairly normal. I had a few I was doing fridge shenanigans with who lived longer but they would never do anything but murder any introduced workers and all their sisters indeed died in around a week.
My Lasius colony is now back in the wine cooler, temperatures have been lower here and the cooler seems to work fine when its not 90*F plus. It has been over a month and the colony generally looks fine, so I am cautiously optimistic their hibernation may go better. Wife is happy to have them out of the cheese drawer as a bonus .
-Propo
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#49 Offline - Posted August 14 2024 - 1:27 PM
55 F is low enough for most species to hibernate. Hope things continue to improve for your colonies.
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#50 Offline - Posted August 15 2024 - 12:39 PM
Appreciate the response Ants_Dakota!
I made one attempt with epoxy which did not work, I assume due to using the wrong type or more likely user error on my end . Will have to look into trying again for the next generation! I've got a bag of grout from hobby lobby and I plan on giving it a shot next time around as well. I'll pickup some vermiculite locally in lieu of a sand topper, the moisture absorbing characteristics sound promising!
I'm sorry to hear about the interjectus queen -- I can imagine it is quite disappointing after getting the queen accepted successfully to have it die for causes unknown!. I actually did review that thread and some other sources when I made my attempts. My expectations were low and it was fun to make the attempt even if they went nowhere. I saw one source mention that queens who had not shed their wings would not attempt to adopt a colony, I am wondering if the near pool drowning interrupted their normal biological signals. I was surprised to see, as you mentioned, that most died within about a week and it is reassuring to learn this is fairly normal. I had a few I was doing fridge shenanigans with who lived longer but they would never do anything but murder any introduced workers and all their sisters indeed died in around a week.
My Lasius colony is now back in the wine cooler, temperatures have been lower here and the cooler seems to work fine when its not 90*F plus. It has been over a month and the colony generally looks fine, so I am cautiously optimistic their hibernation may go better. Wife is happy to have them out of the cheese drawer as a bonus .
-Propo
I have found 2-part epoxy or even plastic-specific 2-part epoxy works best when mixed and applied with a toothpick(although the plastic-specific epoxy is usually colored and ugly, and I have never needed it as regular 2-part epoxy works wonders). It is very neat, and the tooth pick keeps too much epoxy from being added, making life difficult.
My Outworlds
Epoxy when not using a toothpick
Epoxy when using a toothpick
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