44 replies to this topic

[lazyant]

I will try to get a PPQ 526 in August, I Probably will only get a couple of species. Colobopsis will not be long to get approved right?

Since Camponotus yogi is quite similar to ltos of Colobopsis sp.

Trachymyrmex will probably be easy as well. Since they is just 1 state north..... 

[aznphenom]

There is no need for guessing. It’s either native to your state or they’re not. No and, if, but, or. If they’re non native, you HAVE TO get have approved “facility”. What that is depends on your state. Each state has their own aphis personnel.

Edit: also, DO NOT put non native species with native species on the same permit. APHIS would either reject the whole thing and tell you to split them or they may push it through with specific rejections. They go through different process and why it came be on the same permit.

Edited by aznphenom, July 22 2022 - 1:21 PM.

[NicholasP]

I hope to get permits soon. Problem though is I'm in a phase where I'm moving from one house to another soon so in a few months if I get a house that I know for sure I'll be in I will file permits for all Camponotus species native to Michigan.

[FloridaAnts]

I doubt if its only for personal use(don't quote me on this) but if resale you probably will need a inspection

I don't dream of selling Trachymyrmex. It would be terrible as you have to ensure optimal conditions during shipping, and i don’t want to hear anyone complain about fungus growers not arriving alive.

Edited by FloridaAnts, July 22 2022 - 5:15 PM.

[FinWins]

I doubt if its only for personal use(don't quote me on this) but if resale you probably will need a inspection

I don't dream of selling Trachymyrmex. It would be terrible as you have to ensure optimal conditions during shipping, and i don’t want to hear anyone complain about fungus growers not arriving alive.

Yeah, half the people who buy fungus growers through the mail complain about how badly they ship.

[Jonathan5608]

There is only really one sp. I want right know and that would be Camponotus sericeiventris. I’m sure that even if I did have a permit shipping conditions would definitely not be ideal.

Edited by Jonathan5608, July 23 2022 - 5:52 AM.

[smares]

What is the point of these permits? Are they needed just for collecting ants, or are they needed to sell them?

[aznphenom]

What is the point of these permits? Are they needed just for collecting ants, or are they needed to sell them?

All plant pest (which include ants) must have permits if moving across state lines

[RushmoreAnts]

What is the point of these permits? Are they needed just for collecting ants, or are they needed to sell them?

Basically you can’t bring any ants to another state without them.

[United-Ants]

 

 

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 

 

camponotus castaneus

camponotuspennslvanicus

camponotus subbaratus

camponotus chromaiodes

camponotus texanus

camponotus semitestaceus

camponotus ocreatus

camponotus ca02

camponotus anthrax 

camponotus clarthorax

camponotus essigi

camponotus fragilis

camponotus leavigatus

camponotus leavissmus  

camponotus maritimus

camponotus sansabeanus

camponotus vicinus 

Camponotus dumetorum

camponotus modoc

camponotus nearcticus

camponotus americanus

Dorymyrmex bicolor

Dorymyrmex insanus

Pheidole gilvescens

Pheidole xerophila

pheidole rhea

Pheidole morrisii

Neoponera villosa

Myrmecocystus navajo

Myrmecocystus testaceus

Myrmecocystus yuma

Myrmecocystus kathjuli

Myrmecocystus lugubris

Myrmecocystus creightoni

Myrmecocystus romainei

Myrmecocystus kennedyi

Myrmecocystus placodops

Prenolepis imparis

Novomessor cockerelli

Pogonomyrmex californicus

Pogonomyrmex montanus

Pogonomyrmex rugosus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus

Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus

Pogonomyrmex maricopa

Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus

pogonomyrmex badius

Pogonomyrmex huachucanus

Pogonomyrmex bicolor

Pogonomyrmex pima

Pogonomyrmex texanus

Pogonomyrmex comanche

Pogonomyrmex desertorum

Solenopsis xyloni

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Veromessor stoddardi

Formica francoeuri

Formica dolosa

formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva

Formica exsectoides

Formica obscuriventris

Formica ulkei

Formica incerta

Formica neogagates

Formica neorufibarbis

Formica subaenescens

Formica gnava

Formica foreliana

Formica canadensis

Formica moki

odontomachus brunneus

Odontomachus relictus

Odontomachus desertorum

Odontomachus clarus

Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Trachymyrmex arizonensis

 

some of those will definitely be denied also get ready for an inspection they wanted an inspection for trachymyrmex for me so i don't think you will be any luckier. Also when did you apply?

 

i am applying sometime this week   i have been working on a large project  and  helping in the garden 

[United-Ants]

At the moment my permit will be for personal use then later hopefully will be to sele ants in the future

[ExponentMars]

 

 

I don't have a permite but I will soon

For what species

 

 

camponotus castaneus

camponotuspennslvanicus

camponotus subbaratus

camponotus chromaiodes

camponotus texanus

camponotus semitestaceus

camponotus ocreatus

camponotus ca02

camponotus anthrax 

camponotus clarthorax

camponotus essigi

camponotus fragilis

camponotus leavigatus

camponotus leavissmus  

camponotus maritimus

camponotus sansabeanus

camponotus vicinus 

Camponotus dumetorum

camponotus modoc

camponotus nearcticus

camponotus americanus

Dorymyrmex bicolor

Dorymyrmex insanus

Pheidole gilvescens

Pheidole xerophila

pheidole rhea

Pheidole morrisii

Neoponera villosa

Myrmecocystus navajo

Myrmecocystus testaceus

Myrmecocystus yuma

Myrmecocystus kathjuli

Myrmecocystus lugubris

Myrmecocystus creightoni

Myrmecocystus romainei

Myrmecocystus kennedyi

Myrmecocystus placodops

Prenolepis imparis

Novomessor cockerelli

Pogonomyrmex californicus

Pogonomyrmex montanus

Pogonomyrmex rugosus

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus

Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus

Pogonomyrmex maricopa

Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus

pogonomyrmex badius

Pogonomyrmex huachucanus

Pogonomyrmex bicolor

Pogonomyrmex pima

Pogonomyrmex texanus

Pogonomyrmex comanche

Pogonomyrmex desertorum

Solenopsis xyloni

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Veromessor stoddardi

Formica francoeuri

Formica dolosa

formica subsericea

Formica pallidefulva

Formica exsectoides

Formica obscuriventris

Formica ulkei

Formica incerta

Formica neogagates

Formica neorufibarbis

Formica subaenescens

Formica gnava

Formica foreliana

Formica canadensis

Formica moki

odontomachus brunneus

Odontomachus relictus

Odontomachus desertorum

Odontomachus clarus

Trachymyrmex septentrionalis

Trachymyrmex arizonensis

 

How long did it take for that many species to be permitted? 

[United-Ants]

It got denied they wanted it split in 2 and I haven't finished putting it though again yet because I have been very busy with school and home work

[NicholasP]

It got denied they wanted it split in 2 and I haven't finished putting it though again yet because I have been very busy with school and home work

I'm surprised they didn't even deny a single ant species on there. You are asking for WAY too much WAY too quickly. Go slow. Just get permits for your main ones because if you do a huge one like that and they deny even just one of the species you'd have to redo the whole permit process again and wait a long time again for their approval.

[aznphenom]

 

It got denied they wanted it split in 2 and I haven't finished putting it though again yet because I have been very busy with school and home work

I'm surprised they didn't even deny a single ant species on there. You are asking for WAY too much WAY too quickly. Go slow. Just get permits for your main ones because if you do a huge one like that and they deny even just one of the species you'd have to redo the whole permit process again and wait a long time again for their approval.

 

OP said it was denied. APHIS sometimes do deny specific articles but its quicker to do a whole permit denial when the list is that long. Also, they just want it split because OP probably has native and non native on it. They want those two separate. 

[Jonathan5608]

18 is the required age right?

[United-Ants]

Nvm

Edited by United-Ants, October 5 2022 - 7:49 PM.

[OiledOlives]

Yes, 18 is the minimum age.

[NicholasP]

Can confirm 18 is the minimum age. It's in some obscure place of the USDA or APHIS site but I promise its there.

[United-Ants]

So that means no permits for under 18 people?

Edited by United-Ants, October 5 2022 - 7:48 PM.