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Hello everyone, today I was wondering about how many people have aphis permits and how hard it is to get one that’s why I set up this poll.
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus 
, C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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I don't have a permite but I will soon
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I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
Edited by FinWins, July 20 2022 - 2:27 PM.
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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I'm curious as to how often the USDA actually sends someone to inspect applicants' setups like they say they might.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version
Keeping:
Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea
Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra
Myrmica sp.
Lasius neoniger, brevicornis
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Me too
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.
Keeps: Camponotus, Tetra
Wants (Please reach out if you have them for sale if you’re in the US): Acromyrmex Sp., Atta Sp., Cephalotes Sp., Myrmecocystus Sp (Prefer Mexicanus), Odontomachus Sp. (Prefer Desertorum), Pachycondyla Sp., Pheidole Sp (Prefer Rhea. The bigger the better. Not the tiny bicarinata), Pogonomyrmex Sp (Prefer Badius)., Pseudomyrmex Sp. (Prefer the cute yellow ones)
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I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.
But do they do inspections often?
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version
Keeping:
Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea
Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra
Myrmica sp.
Lasius neoniger, brevicornis
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I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis
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I have permits. It depends if you're transporting native or non native. Native permit is a lot faster and easier. While some people are going on a year for non native.
But do they do inspections often?
That depends on your local APHIS office.
Keeps: Camponotus, Tetra
Wants (Please reach out if you have them for sale if you’re in the US): Acromyrmex Sp., Atta Sp., Cephalotes Sp., Myrmecocystus Sp (Prefer Mexicanus), Odontomachus Sp. (Prefer Desertorum), Pachycondyla Sp., Pheidole Sp (Prefer Rhea. The bigger the better. Not the tiny bicarinata), Pogonomyrmex Sp (Prefer Badius)., Pseudomyrmex Sp. (Prefer the cute yellow ones)
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Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?
I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
etc.
No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.
"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version
Keeping:
Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea
Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra
Myrmica sp.
Lasius neoniger, brevicornis
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So then how are places like antsemporium able to ship ants?No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.Whoa, so does that mean that you can ship them to other states if you include the other state as part of that permit?I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
etc.
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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No, you are not allowed to take the organisms off of your property, or the property specified in the permit.So then how are places like antsemporium able to ship ants?
They have a different commercial permit, in which the end goal is to distribute ants, not only receive ants. Conventional PPQ-526 permits specifically prohibit holders from distributing the organisms to anyone else.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version
Keeping:
Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea
Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra
Myrmica sp.
Lasius neoniger, brevicornis
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So I might be moving to Texas in a few years, if I got a PPQ permit in California could I transfer it to Texas if I moved there? What would the process be like?
Edited by FinWins, July 21 2022 - 3:49 PM.
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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I think you would have to edit/create entirely new permit for transporting them to Texas. Sounds complicated 
Also, you think it would be hard to get commercial permits for transporting Odontomachus to Northern states with conditions they couldn’t withstand? Also, where do you apply for commercial vs. Personal permits?
Also, you think it would be hard to get commercial permits for transporting Odontomachus to Northern states with conditions they couldn’t withstand? Also, where do you apply for commercial vs. Personal permits?
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I looked in to it some more on the APHIS website a discovered that when you move to a new location you just have get a new permit.I think you would have to edit/create entirely new permit for transporting them to Texas. Sounds complicated
Also, you think it would be hard to get commercial permits for transporting Odontomachus to Northern states with conditions they couldn’t withstand? Also, where do you apply for commercial vs. Personal permits?
From all the research I’ve done I think that Odontomachus might be one of the easier genera to get a permit for in the northern and western states because it is a low risk genus due to their humidity requirements.
As for a commercial permit, I think that the best way to get answers would be to contact APHIS and ask about it.
I keep: C. modoc, C. sansabeanus , C. maritimus, Formica argentea, M. mexicanus , Odontomachus brunneus , Pogonomyrmex californicus, Pogonomyrmex rugosus,
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I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis
some of those will definitely be denied also get ready for an inspection they wanted an inspection for trachymyrmex for me so i don't think you will be any luckier. Also when did you apply?
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some of those will definitely be denied also get ready for an inspection they wanted an inspection for trachymyrmex for me so i don't think you will be any luckier. Also when did you apply?I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis
You think it will need an inspection if Trachy is native to me? Considering applying for permit to get them shipped from other peoples
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I doubt if its only for personal use(don't quote me on this) but if resale you probably will need a inspection
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I don't have a permite but I will soon
For what species
camponotus castaneus
camponotuspennslvanicus
camponotus subbaratus
camponotus chromaiodes
camponotus texanus
camponotus semitestaceus
camponotus ocreatus
camponotus ca02
camponotus anthrax
camponotus clarthorax
camponotus essigi
camponotus fragilis
camponotus leavigatus
camponotus leavissmus
camponotus maritimus
camponotus sansabeanus
camponotus vicinus
Camponotus dumetorum
camponotus modoc
camponotus nearcticus
camponotus americanus
Dorymyrmex bicolor
Dorymyrmex insanus
Pheidole gilvescens
Pheidole xerophila
pheidole rhea
Pheidole morrisii
Neoponera villosa
Myrmecocystus navajo
Myrmecocystus testaceus
Myrmecocystus yuma
Myrmecocystus kathjuli
Myrmecocystus lugubris
Myrmecocystus creightoni
Myrmecocystus romainei
Myrmecocystus kennedyi
Myrmecocystus placodops
Prenolepis imparis
Novomessor cockerelli
Pogonomyrmex californicus
Pogonomyrmex montanus
Pogonomyrmex rugosus
Pogonomyrmex subnitidus
Pogonomyrmex magnacanthus
Pogonomyrmex maricopa
Pogonomyrmex tenuispinus
pogonomyrmex badius
Pogonomyrmex huachucanus
Pogonomyrmex bicolor
Pogonomyrmex pima
Pogonomyrmex texanus
Pogonomyrmex comanche
Pogonomyrmex desertorum
Solenopsis xyloni
Veromessor pergandei
Veromessor andrei
Veromessor stoddardi
Formica francoeuri
Formica dolosa
formica subsericea
Formica pallidefulva
Formica exsectoides
Formica obscuriventris
Formica ulkei
Formica incerta
Formica neogagates
Formica neorufibarbis
Formica subaenescens
Formica gnava
Formica foreliana
Formica canadensis
Formica moki
odontomachus brunneus
Odontomachus relictus
Odontomachus desertorum
Odontomachus clarus
Trachymyrmex septentrionalis
Trachymyrmex arizonensis
I would also like to add that my acromyrmex and colobopsis application has been sitting on pending since march and like 20 of the sp on your permit application are non-native
1X Pogonomyrmex occidentalis 40-50 Workers
1X Solenopsis molesta 10 Workers (mono)
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