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Camponotus Pennsylvanicus in Utah?

Started By UTants , May 27 2022 9:23 AM

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#1 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 9:23 AM

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I caught this queen in Hyrum,UT. She looks like camponotus Pennsylvanicus but I'm not sure. Can anyone help me?

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#2 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 27 2022 - 11:19 AM

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Not sure now!

Edited by ANTdrew, May 27 2022 - 11:54 AM.

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#3 Offline United-Ants - Posted May 27 2022 - 12:20 PM

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Acording to https://www.antwiki...._pennsylvanicus Camponotus pennsylvanicus may be found here

#4 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 12:42 PM

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I'm very confused, some people think it's camponotus Pennsylvanicus others think it's laevisissmus.
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#5 Offline Somethinghmm - Posted May 27 2022 - 12:44 PM

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This strikes me as Camponotus laevigatus but I'm not quite sure.

 

Can you get a photo with better lighting so we can see the hairs?

 

 

Now that I look at it again I still believe that C. vicinus is a possibility


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#6 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 3:20 PM

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I'll try to get a better picture soon.
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#7 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 3:46 PM

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these pictures are as good as i can get, sorry.

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#8 Offline Somethinghmm - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:03 PM

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I'm fairly sure this is C. vicinus but I would wait for confirmation from someone else


#9 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:19 PM

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This definitely looks like pennsylvanicus. It's not shiny enough to be laevissimus, not matte enough to be modoc, and the head is too large/wide to be vicinus. This would be shockingly far west to find them, but I suppose it wouldn't be impossible. Especially in the vicinity of a major metropolitan area like Salt Lake City, it's not impossible that she was brought in with some plants from the eastern US. That said, it's also not entirely impossible for it to be a native population, although again, it would be quite shocking.


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#10 Offline OiledOlives - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:30 PM

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Please get more pictures with better lighting. Range strongly suggests that this is not pennsylvanicus. Dark vicinus is far more likely.


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#11 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:38 PM

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The head shape is completely wrong for vicinus. C. vicinus is not possible here. That species is extremely distinct among large US Camponotus for having a head that is narrower than the widest part of the thorax. Every other large Camponotus has a head width as wide or wider than the widest part of the thorax.


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#12 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:40 PM

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Did I just make a scientific discovery?
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#13 Offline NancyZamora4991 - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:42 PM

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Lol.


#14 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:44 PM

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Lol.
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#15 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 4:54 PM

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Who knows maybe I did make a scientific discovery.
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#16 Offline UTants - Posted May 27 2022 - 5:18 PM

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I just wanted to thank everyone for the time and effort you guys are putting into this. Thank you so much!!
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#17 Offline azzaaazzzz00 - Posted June 7 2022 - 3:23 PM

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I wasn't apart of the ID at the beginning but great discovery! I'm so bad at ID that I probably wouldn't even know if I had made a discovery like that lol.


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