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Started By AntsCali123 , Apr 6 2022 3:52 PM

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#1 Offline AntsCali123 - Posted April 6 2022 - 3:52 PM

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I know she’s Crematogaster but can anyone tell what kind??

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#2 Offline AntsCali098 - Posted April 6 2022 - 3:54 PM

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Cerasi maybe?

Edited by AntsCali098, April 6 2022 - 3:54 PM.

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#3 Offline PetsNotPests - Posted April 6 2022 - 3:55 PM

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Crematogaster ceraci queen. Please follow the proper ID format next time.


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#4 Offline AntsCali123 - Posted April 6 2022 - 3:57 PM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here


#5 Offline AntsCali098 - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:03 PM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here


You don’t HAVE to follow the format (I think) but the format is pinned

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#6 Offline AntsCali098 - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:05 PM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here


I legit used to have the same pfp as you and we have very similar names. What a coincidence

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#7 Offline AntsCali123 - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:06 PM

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Ok Ill definitely try an follow it. Thanks


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#8 Offline AntsCali123 - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:09 PM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here

I legit used to have the same pfp as you and we have very similar names. What a coincidence

Haha that’s awesome what part of Cali you in? I’m from Sacramento


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#9 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:24 PM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here


You don’t HAVE to follow the format (I think) but the format is pinned

 

You do, a lot of people don't out of ignorance or lack of consideration of how how helpful it can be for IDers.

 

Also, Crematogaster are incredibly hard to get down to species level, so I would just leave it at that.


#10 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted April 6 2022 - 4:43 PM

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You can easily differentiate Crematogaster cerasi and lineolata ( which seem to be the most likely candidates of species for this queen )by the hairs on the mesosoma Crematogaster cerasi has no hairs on mesosoma and lineolata does. This queen seems to lack the hairs on mesosoma so I’d say it’s C.cerasi.

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#11 Offline Mettcollsuss - Posted April 6 2022 - 5:16 PM

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I'm assuming this was found in California, since that's where your profile says you are. In which case, cerasi/lineolata would be unlikely. Kaelwizard is correct, better photos would be needed for a species ID, the best that can probably be done from these photos is Crematogaster (Crematogaster) since that's the only subgenus in Cali.

 

You can easily differentiate Crematogaster cerasi and lineolata ( which seem to be the most likely candidates of species for this queen )by the hairs on the mesosoma Crematogaster cerasi has no hairs on mesosoma and lineolata does. This queen seems to lack the hairs on mesosoma so I’d say it’s C.cerasi.

I don't think this photo is good enough to distinguish the two. Gaster or head hairs aren't visible even though they're present in both species, so that makes it seem more likely that the lack of mesosoma hairs is due to them just not showing up in the photo rather than the ant actually lacking hairs. Also while the mesosoma hair works for distinguishing workers, queens of both species have hair on the mesosoma: 


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#12 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted April 6 2022 - 5:33 PM

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From what I can see there are very small hairs on the queens gaster and head but none on the mesosoma as they seem to not be a reflection although it could be dirt.

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#13 Offline Manitobant - Posted April 6 2022 - 5:54 PM

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#14 Offline AntsCali123 - Posted April 6 2022 - 5:55 PM

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Here is another photo. You can see the hairs a little better. But I’ll take a good picture when I get home with my macro lens
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#15 Offline ColAnt735 - Posted April 6 2022 - 5:59 PM

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Crematogaster lineolata and cerasi are both present in california but are quite rare so I wouldn’t keep them out of question.

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#16 Offline AntsCali098 - Posted April 7 2022 - 9:22 AM

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Sorry but what's the proper ID format? I'm still figuring this out on here

I legit used to have the same pfp as you and we have very similar names. What a coincidence

Haha that’s awesome what part of Cali you in? I’m from Sacramento


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Oh I'm in socal, Long Beach 


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#17 Offline gcsnelling - Posted April 7 2022 - 2:48 PM

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Image is not even close to good enough to differentiate between the species, Crematogaster queens are very difficult to impossible to Id to species without associated workers. Genus is as good as it gets with this one.


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