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#21 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted September 11 2021 - 9:01 PM

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i d c

If you don't care about your colonies, you probably shouldn't keep ants. Or any pets for that matter.

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L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

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T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

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#22 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 11 2021 - 9:08 PM

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#23 Offline eea - Posted September 11 2021 - 9:10 PM

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I wish you don't find anymore queens  (n)


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#24 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 11 2021 - 9:15 PM

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#25 Offline Manitobant - Posted September 11 2021 - 9:22 PM

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Umm is pleometrosis suddenly considered cruel now? Its a legitimate founding strategy in captivity for getting a larger batch of nanitics and they do it in the wild as well.
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#26 Offline ANTdrew - Posted September 12 2021 - 2:03 AM

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It is somewhat cruel if one is doing it just to F around with some queens you don’t care about as the OP says. He’s free to do what he wants, just don’t post about it here and expect us to toast your marshmallows or something.
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#27 Offline futurebird - Posted September 12 2021 - 4:02 AM

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I think OP just became kind of defensive, and that's understandable given that we were kinda piling on. I just want them to know that it's probably going to just end up with queens dying. And if you work with ants you can say "don't care" but personally I don't assume anyone is that boring or dead inside to go to all the trouble of working with such small fragile creatures, something that takes patience, care, and intelligence... but then just not care if you put those creatures in a situation where they won't be able to thrive. I have more faith in OP than that. 


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#28 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 12 2021 - 6:22 AM

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It is somewhat cruel if one is doing it just to F around with some queens you don’t care about as the OP says. He’s free to do what he wants, just don’t post about it here and expect us to toast your marshmallows or something.

I agree with this. Condemning any living thing to death for an 'experiment' (by definition this isn't a scientific experiment whatsoever) is cruel and inhumane. However I would be fine with an ant keeper using pleometrosis in order to yield a larger generation of nanitics as Manitobant said, just not killing queens since he doesn't care about the species. 


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#29 Offline Antkeeper01 - Posted September 12 2021 - 7:53 AM

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It is somewhat cruel if one is doing it just to F around with some queens you don’t care about as the OP says. He’s free to do what he wants, just don’t post about it here and expect us to toast your marshmallows or something.

I agree with this. Condemning any living thing to death for an 'experiment' (by definition this isn't a scientific experiment whatsoever) is cruel and inhumane. However I would be fine with an ant keeper using pleometrosis in order to yield a larger generation of nanitics as Manitobant said, just not killing queens since he doesn't care about the species. 

 

I've done this once with a native species: Pogonomyrmex occidentalis, but only because I believed that they were infertile and now that they have larvae I plan to seperat them once they get a worker


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#30 Offline smares - Posted September 13 2021 - 12:05 AM

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Grimm, why are you attacking people right out the gate? If you care so little about your pets why even bother collecting them? Why bother posting here if you don't care what we say?
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#31 Offline Chickalo - Posted September 13 2021 - 4:27 AM

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I think I'm late to the party, but I'm still putting my opinions and experiences in here so I don't feel left out D:

 

First, in my experience Lasius can lay before hibernation, but always get workers after.  More often then not it's eaten before hibernation and relaid after.  I do think it has to do with regional difference, obviously up here in massachusetts we got decently long winters, but very cold (anywhere from 20 to -10 degrees fahrenheit I think) so it's probably smarter for them to begin founding after their sleep.

 

Second, with what Manitobant said (I do still have you blocked on Discord btw, I hope you know that), Pleo founding is a decent strategy.  I wouldn't do it for some species that's uncommon, but sure I'd do it for Tetramorium immigrans since it's not like nature is going to run out of them any time soon haha.  However, smashing 10 queens into a test tube (especially 10 queens of my favourite species) is as I'd define it, a "Cruel and unusual punishment," which goes against eighth commandment in the United States of America, fun fact.  Say "I D C about ur opinion" all you want, but honestly it is a bit...  weird?

 

Third, please use better grammar, I tend to be a grammar police but, like, what you've been saying really hurts my head I'm not going to lie.  Sure it's not about ants, but like, Rule 7 here.  You've said IDC quite a few times.  Not going to bother you too much but in my opinion it's not okay to type okay like ok, okay? 

 

Anyways, if you read my text block many thanks, have a nice day and I hope your neoniger don't die unnecessarily, Lasius my Beloved! 


Edited by Chickalo, September 13 2021 - 4:27 AM.

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#32 Offline Antkeeper01 - Posted September 13 2021 - 5:28 AM

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I think I'm late to the party, but I'm still putting my opinions and experiences in here so I don't feel left out D:

 

First, in my experience Lasius can lay before hibernation, but always get workers after.  More often then not it's eaten before hibernation and relaid after.  I do think it has to do with regional difference, obviously up here in massachusetts we got decently long winters, but very cold (anywhere from 20 to -10 degrees fahrenheit I think) so it's probably smarter for them to begin founding after their sleep.

 

Second, with what Manitobant said (I do still have you blocked on Discord btw, I hope you know that), Pleo founding is a decent strategy.  I wouldn't do it for some species that's uncommon, but sure I'd do it for Tetramorium immigrans since it's not like nature is going to run out of them any time soon haha.  However, smashing 10 queens into a test tube (especially 10 queens of my favourite species) is as I'd define it, a "Cruel and unusual punishment," which goes against eighth commandment in the United States of America, fun fact.  Say "I D C about ur opinion" all you want, but honestly it is a bit...  weird?

 

Third, please use better grammar, I tend to be a grammar police but, like, what you've been saying really hurts my head I'm not going to lie.  Sure it's not about ants, but like, Rule 7 here.  You've said IDC quite a few times.  Not going to bother you too much but in my opinion it's not okay to type okay like ok, okay? 

 

Anyways, if you read my text block many thanks, have a nice day and I hope your neoniger don't die unnecessarily, Lasius my Beloved! 

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1X Pogonomyrmex occidentalis 40-50 Workers

1X Solenopsis molesta 10 Workers (mono)

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#33 Offline Manitobant - Posted September 13 2021 - 5:39 AM

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I would also like to add that in my opinion stuffing 10 queens in a tube is literally nothing. Neoniger fly en masse, and i have caught over 150 in the past week, and my friends in Ontario have caught over 500. They are extremely common, and not to mention most of these queens would've died in the wild anyways.
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#34 Offline Chickalo - Posted September 13 2021 - 5:44 AM

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I would also like to add that in my opinion stuffing 10 queens in a tube is literally nothing. Neoniger fly en masse, and i have caught over 150 in the past week, and my friends in Ontario have caught over 500. They are extremely common, and not to mention most of these queens would've died in the wild anyways.

They don't fly that in large of numbers here, I don't know if it's because it's heavily populated in the greater Boston area or something.  I kinda forgot the majority of queens die during founding in the wild.  


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#35 Offline Antkeeper01 - Posted September 13 2021 - 5:53 AM

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"extremely common" HA not where I live and how I would love a colony of these.


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1X Pogonomyrmex occidentalis 40-50 Workers

1X Solenopsis molesta 10 Workers (mono)

Ants I Want: Crematogaster sp, Camponotus Sp., Ponera Pennsylvanica, Mymercocystus sp.

 

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#36 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted September 13 2021 - 6:52 AM

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"extremely common" HA not where I live and how I would love a colony of these.

 

Literally have had zero luck finding any so far this year. Really would love another colony since they are such a fun little species.


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L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants


#37 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 13 2021 - 10:02 AM

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I D C  about your hate comments

If you don't want critique, why, may I ask, are you a member of this forum? The whole point of forums like this is to receive advice from more experienced people; if you take this advice as 'hate comments', then perhaps this place of sharing, advice, and critique isn't the best for you.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#38 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 13 2021 - 10:05 AM

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IDC OK leave me alone 

or just leave my experiment alone

Why did you post this 'experiment' here in the first place then? Its awful immature to assume that everyone will have the same opinions as you on things like this; not everyone will pat you on the back for everything you do. 


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#39 Offline NickAnter - Posted September 13 2021 - 3:11 PM

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How is blasting him and calling him cruel a "critque"? A statement to that side is quite absurd in my opinion. I have personally seen Lasius species found in groups of 20 or more in the wild, it is perfectly natural. If a couple queens die, it is rather to be expected. Their survival rate in the wild would have been far lower. Do I think this is the best thing to do? No. But is it something that is akin to tossing your ants in the microwave for 30 seconds and seeing what's going to happen? No. If he wishes to do this, then he probably won't change his mind, and constantly talking about how horrible it is adds nothing to the forum.

 

And to the OP. Generally, responding in text shorthand doesnt lend to seriousness.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#40 Offline KadinB - Posted September 14 2021 - 6:45 PM

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Umm is pleometrosis suddenly considered cruel now? Its a legitimate founding strategy in captivity for getting a larger batch of nanitics and they do it in the wild as well.

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