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10 queen lasius neoniger experiment

Started By GRIMM_OwO_ , Sep 4 2021 11:25 AM
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#1 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 4 2021 - 11:25 AM

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week 2

Queen: 10

Eggs: ?

Worker: 0
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#2 Offline Manitobant - Posted September 4 2021 - 11:40 AM

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Just letting you know that lasius neoniger found through pleometrosis, and aren't truly polygynous. This means that once the first workers arrive, the queens will start killing each other until only one remains.

Also, lasius neoniger usually will not lay eggs until after hibernation, so expect to be waiting a while for workers
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#3 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 4 2021 - 12:37 PM

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i do not really care if they kill each other because i can find a crap tone again and also some neo lay before hiber 

i have a neo that has 2 eggs currently.


#4 Offline futurebird - Posted September 5 2021 - 5:13 AM

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This experiment has already been done and it didn't work. 

So, maybe we could think of some changes that might make it work this time.

 

Otherwise it isn't much of an experiment. 

 


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#5 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 5 2021 - 9:11 AM

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Just letting you know that lasius neoniger found through pleometrosis, and aren't truly polygynous. This means that once the first workers arrive, the queens will start killing each other until only one remains.

Also, lasius neoniger usually will not lay eggs until after hibernation, so expect to be waiting a while for workers

Every Lasius queen I have ever kept has laid eggs and gotten workers before hibernation.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#6 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted September 5 2021 - 9:13 AM

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Just letting you know that lasius neoniger found through pleometrosis, and aren't truly polygynous. This means that once the first workers arrive, the queens will start killing each other until only one remains.

Also, lasius neoniger usually will not lay eggs until after hibernation, so expect to be waiting a while for workers

Every Lasius queen I have ever kept has laid eggs and gotten workers before hibernation.

 

Every Lasius queen I have ever kept has laid eggs and gotten workers after hibernation, so it might just be a regional difference.


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#7 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted September 5 2021 - 10:07 AM

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Just letting you know that lasius neoniger found through pleometrosis, and aren't truly polygynous. This means that once the first workers arrive, the queens will start killing each other until only one remains.

Also, lasius neoniger usually will not lay eggs until after hibernation, so expect to be waiting a while for workers

Every Lasius queen I have ever kept has laid eggs and gotten workers before hibernation.

 

Every Lasius queen I have ever kept has laid eggs and gotten workers after hibernation, so it might just be a regional difference.

 

I agree, however South Dakota has longer, colder winters than most states, so that surprises me. However it makes sense, as its probably a survival method. They can't start as early in the spring due to the cold, so they start before it gets cold in the first place. 


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#8 Offline NickAnter - Posted September 5 2021 - 12:07 PM

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In the Sierras it appears to vary by species. The Acanthomyops sp., which is likely an undescribed one, does not appear to lay eggs before hibernation. Neither do the niger group Lasius. The L. aphidicola, and the L. sitiens or brevicornis however, do lay eggs before hibernation, despite flying at the same time. I too believe it is a regional difference - the behavior of a species will not be the same in all it's range, especially if it stretches across an entire continent, as some Lasius do.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#9 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 6 2021 - 7:20 PM

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#10 Offline AntBoi3030 - Posted September 6 2021 - 8:39 PM

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well anyways i want ppl to under stand idc if the queens die cuz they are crap queens

They are living being though, whatever there not my queens.


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#11 Offline drawpositive - Posted September 7 2021 - 6:06 AM

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well anyways i want ppl to under stand idc if the queens die cuz they are crap queens

So what exactly is this experiment attempting to show?  What is your hypothesis?  Do you have a control?


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#12 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted September 7 2021 - 6:58 AM

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well anyways i want ppl to under stand idc if the queens die cuz they are crap queens

 

Lasius neonigers are awesome to raise, and I am sure there are many other ant keepers that would be glad to take care of them. Not just letting them kill each other off in some "experiment". 


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#13 Offline Chasicle - Posted September 10 2021 - 2:24 PM

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Bruh guys. He’s just trying something out. If he ends up with one queen so what, he’s still most likely gonna end up with a pretty impressive first batch of workers.
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#14 Offline OiledOlives - Posted September 10 2021 - 2:59 PM

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This experiment has already been done and it didn't work. 

So, maybe we could think of some changes that might make it work this time.

 

Otherwise it isn't much of an experiment. 

 

"This experiment has already been done"

We're talking about neoniger, not niger like you linked. Also, he is doing it with five times as many queens.


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Bruh guys. He’s just trying something out. If he ends up with one queen so what, he’s still most likely gonna end up with a pretty impressive first batch of workers.

I would pay lots of money for any one of these queens and if they die it won't be because they are crap queens its because they are a crap keeper.


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This is a dumb “experiment” with inhumane outcomes. If he doesn’t value this species, then don’t collect them.
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#17 Offline Chasicle - Posted September 11 2021 - 8:56 PM

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I think his hopes are that he by luck ends up with like a 2 queen colony. Which I have seen people do with other pleo sp. or he just wants the fact that he’s gonna have a huge first gen. Let him experiment. Even if he’s a new keeper why not let him make his own mistakes and learn from them like we all do.

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#18 Offline KadinB - Posted September 11 2021 - 8:56 PM

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Bruh guys. He’s just trying something out. If he ends up with one queen so what, he’s still most likely gonna end up with a pretty impressive first batch of workers.

agreed. He also didn't know tbh.


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Bruh guys. He’s just trying something out. If he ends up with one queen so what, he’s still most likely gonna end up with a pretty impressive first batch of workers.

agreed. He also didn't know tbh.

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#20 Offline GRIMM_OwO_ - Posted September 11 2021 - 8:57 PM

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