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#1 Offline Solenoqueen - Posted September 8 2020 - 10:30 PM

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Hi, I just caught a Cyphomyrmex sp. queen, and I was wondering how to care for it. I was thinking of doing a petri dish setup, but I don't have the materials, so I just bought them now. From what I hear, they feed their fungus caterpillar frass, so I bought silkworms. Problem is, it's all coming late with how bad shipping has been recently. Would a test tube setup suffice for now? Right now, I have roach frass, mealworm frass, and dry rose petals (non-pesticided) on hand. Also, please give me general keeping requirement care and stuff. I don't want to waste this opportunity. Thank you.


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#2 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted September 8 2020 - 11:56 PM

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What species you have could make a pretty big difference. The "caterpillar frass" diet only seems to really apply to rimosus-group, which grow a type of yeast, rather than fungus. Most western Cyphomyrmex will grow real fungus, and as such I'd imagine they have a diet more similar to that of Trachymyrmex than the Cyphomyrmex rimosus-group. This may be incorrect, though. I've kept a colony of Cyphomyrmex wheeleri, one of the species that grows real fungus, but unfortunately it was around 2 years ago and I was pretty inexperienced. Maybe I'll try my hand at it again, but now that I have Acromyrmex I don't think I'll be interested in the tiny attines anymore.

For a setup I definitely would advise you to use the standard fungus grower setup, whether that is a petri dish or another container with a plaster base. However if you must use a tube, make sure to use distilled water. Any mold growth on the cotton will almost instantly kill the fungus, and distilled water usually prevents mold growth, at least for a bit. 

Either way, good luck. This is a good opportunity and I agree you really wouldn't want to mess it up. Hopefully everything ends up working out for you.


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#3 Offline Solenoqueen - Posted September 9 2020 - 12:27 PM

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What species you have could make a pretty big difference. The "caterpillar frass" diet only seems to really apply to rimosus-group, which grow a type of yeast, rather than fungus. Most western Cyphomyrmex will grow real fungus, and as such I'd imagine they have a diet more similar to that of Trachymyrmex than the Cyphomyrmex rimosus-group. 

Ah. I'm worried about that only since I have no way of telling if it's the introduced rimosus or the native wheeleri. I also wonder if roach and mealworm frass would work in the case that it is indeed rimosus.

 

 

For a setup I definitely would advise you to use the standard fungus grower setup, whether that is a petri dish or another container with a plaster base. However if you must use a tube, make sure to use distilled water. Any mold growth on the cotton will almost instantly kill the fungus, and distilled water usually prevents mold growth, at least for a bit. 
 

I'm currently ordering the materials required for said petri dish setup, however, with how slow shipping is going, I don't think they'll arrive until the next week or two. I currently have them in a tube with reverse osmosis water, and rose petals, roach, and mealworm frass, just to be safe. However, I hear that they really just need frass from native shrub or grass eating species, like butterflies and grasshoppers. I'm not sure if carrot/zucchini fed roaches and grain-fed mealworms will cut it. She hasn't dropped any fungus or yeast yet either... I'm getting concerned.

Thanks! I also hear that PonerineCat has experience with these as well... how do you mention users again?


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#4 Offline ponerinecat - Posted September 9 2020 - 2:19 PM

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Try dead vegetable matter and insect bodies. Sadly I have no actual experience, only ever seen 2 individuals at a nest entrance. A petri dish is not necessary, any sort of container works if you have plaster or a similar material. Even a food container will work if it is deep enough.



#5 Offline M_Ants - Posted September 9 2020 - 4:30 PM

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I failed with my queen because I had to go on vacation so I hope you succeed. Also I've observed them carrying caterpillar frass in the wild.


Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

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#6 Offline Solenoqueen - Posted September 9 2020 - 6:53 PM

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I failed with my queen because I had to go on vacation so I hope you succeed. Also I've observed them carrying caterpillar frass in the wild.


What caused it to die?

Try dead vegetable matter and insect bodies. Sadly I have no actual experience, only ever seen 2 individuals at a nest entrance. A petri dish is not necessary, any sort of container works if you have plaster or a similar material. Even a food container will work if it is deep enough.


Alright, I’ll keep that in mind.

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#7 Offline M_Ants - Posted September 9 2020 - 8:39 PM

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Mold


Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

https://www.youtube....FG7utFVBA/about


#8 Offline Vick09usmc - Posted July 18 2021 - 7:27 PM

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what part of san diego did you guys catch these ladies?
 



#9 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 18 2021 - 7:30 PM

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what part of san diego did you guys catch these ladies?
 

They are all over the place, they are just sparsely populated. Also the colonies and workers are so small it's just difficult to spot them.



#10 Offline Vick09usmc - Posted July 18 2021 - 7:31 PM

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Point me to a location, I'll find them lol

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#11 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 18 2021 - 7:32 PM

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Point me to a location, I'll find them lol

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San Diego County.






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