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Possibly aphaenogaster uinta but for sure aphaenogaster spe

Started By KadinB , Jul 6 2021 11:07 AM

Best Answer NickAnter , August 9 2021 - 6:59 AM

That is most assuredly occidentalis. Uinta are invariably a very bright red with a black, not brown, gaster. Go to the full post


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#1 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:07 AM

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I was told this was aphaenogaster uinta but I wanna be sure on it. There aren’t many records in Cali so it would be cool to keep these. I am sure they are aphaenogaster to. Me and my friend had collected them from under a rock.

1. Found in stirling city California

2.time found unknown.

3.Found in mountains at 3000 elevation in a pine forest with Camponotus modoc everywhere.

4.around 4mm for workers and queen 8mm

5. Color of the spe are orange red and black

6.unknown

7. Unknown

8.they were nesting under a rock

9. They were collect but recently we found a founding queen under a rock and think they fly around early may.

10. Pic below

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#2 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:10 AM

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This looks like Aphaenogaster occidentalis to me. Aphaenogaster uinta has a very bright red mesosoma and head, the queens as well.


Edited by NickAnter, July 6 2021 - 11:10 AM.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#3 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:11 AM

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This looks like Aphaenogaster occidentalis to me. Aphaenogaster uinta has a very bright red mesosoma and head, the queens as well.

These guys are bigger and i have seen aphaenogaster occidentalis in person and the two spe look completely different form each other. 


#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:12 AM

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That is an Aphaenogaster uinta queen.... I don't think this is a species prone to variation either, unlike occidentalis.

I have seen uinta in person as well, queens too, and they are a bright red, no brown at all.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#5 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:14 AM

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350px-Aphaenogaster-uintaQ8871.jpg

 

That is an Aphaenogaster uinta queen.... I don't think this is a species prone to variation either, unlike occidentalis.

yea looking at that pic is why i am asking. I am in northern California 2 hours up north from san Francisco. I believe cheeto id it as aphaenogaster uinta


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#6 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:17 AM

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The ones I have seen were in the Eastern Sierras, near Lake Crowley, CA, and were extremely abundant in one pocket. They do not forage at all in the day either, so I would consider that as well if they were foraging during daylight hours.

And workers are 6mm, not 4. They are quite large.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#7 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:18 AM

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The ones I have seen were in the Eastern Sierras, near Lake Crowley, CA, and were extremely abundant in one pocket. They do not forage at all in the day either, so I would consider that as well if they were foraging during daylight hours.

And workers are 6mm, not 4. They are quite large.

The ones In our area are all black and i have a old crappy pic of them. I will send it in a sec


#8 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:19 AM

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#9 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:21 AM

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those ones are aphaenogaster occidentalis


#10 Offline KadinB - Posted July 6 2021 - 11:28 AM

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I've gone though all the spe in cali and none look like this spe. I did go back there recently and was able to get another colony. I can send another pic with my phone. That first pic of used with a cannon camera which was my friends.


#11 Offline AlexLebedev - Posted July 20 2021 - 7:11 PM

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unita way brighter red so i could go with color morph or occentalis :/ 


What i am keeping Brachymyrmex patagonicus 1 worker x5 tetramorium immigrans 10 workers x2 lasius crypticus 5 workers Pheidole californica 6 queens150~ workers 10-30 majors, Formica argentea 10~ W

 

 

What I've kept crematogaster sp pheidole californica camponotus vicinus high elev, dumetorum,laevigatus, prenolepis imparis, pogonomyrmex californicus and subnitidus and californicus, veromessor andrei, camponotus sayi, hypoponera opacior ,Liometopum occidentale solnopsis molesta group, solenopsis xyloni.

#12 Offline ReignofRage - Posted July 20 2021 - 10:55 PM

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I've gone though all the spe in cali and none look like this spe. I did go back there recently and was able to get another colony. I can send another pic with my phone. That first pic of used with a cannon camera which was my friends.

Send pictures of the workers of this sp. (it's "sp." not "spe"), try to get a face and side picture. There's record for more reddish colored A. occidentalis around that area, I don't think it's quite definitive to say one sample is black so all of them have to be black.


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#13 Offline NickAnter - Posted July 21 2021 - 7:47 AM

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That would indeed be ideal.

 

https://www.inatural...ations/85122633

 

Pictures from those angles would be preferable.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#14 Offline KadinB - Posted July 22 2021 - 10:26 PM

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Yea I’ll ask my friend if he can get a better pic


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#15 Offline KadinB - Posted August 7 2021 - 10:39 AM

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The workers have a golden color on the tip of there gastures. Still need my friend to get a good pic. I asked him and his queen now has worker. He might be able to sacrifice one to get id.


#16 Offline KadinB - Posted August 8 2021 - 6:03 PM

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Picture of worker will soon be posted 


#17 Offline KadinB - Posted August 8 2021 - 7:36 PM

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Here’s some pictures I got of my own colony if this helps.


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#18 Offline NickAnter - Posted August 9 2021 - 6:59 AM   Best Answer

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That is most assuredly occidentalis. Uinta are invariably a very bright red with a black, not brown, gaster.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#19 Offline KadinB - Posted August 10 2021 - 5:24 PM

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That is most assuredly occidentalis. Uinta are invariably a very bright red with a black, not brown, gaster.

Alright thank you


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