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What's up with Camponotus sansabeanus in California?

Started By CheetoLord02 , Jun 1 2021 1:06 PM

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#1 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted June 1 2021 - 1:06 PM

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I've never really paid attention to this, but after catching C. sansabeanus myself this year, I've been confused. Their antwiki describes them as being 10-14mm (queens), my queens are all around 12-14mm, I know a guy in Oklahoma with 12-14mm queens, but everyone in California says their sansabeanus are like, 18mm? What's up with that?

This isn't even some "exposed" thread, I'm genuinely curious if anyone knows what's up with this. Mis-Identifications? Local variation? A different species entirely? I have to know what people think.


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#2 Offline PetsNotPests - Posted June 1 2021 - 1:10 PM

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I don't get this ether. My Sansabeanus queens are all 18-19mm. 


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-Camponotus sansabeanus

-Camponotus US-CA02

-Camponotus vicinus

-Formica podzolica

-Monomorium spp.

-Pogonomyrmex californicus

-Solenopsis spp. 

 

#3 Offline cocdeshijie - Posted June 1 2021 - 1:31 PM

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Camponotus sansavicinus


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誰でも大好き!well.....except a few

 

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#4 Offline NicholasP - Posted June 1 2021 - 2:06 PM

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Maybe they're all Sansabeanus but that due to different climates the weather and climate differences affect the queen sizes? I feel like entomologists would've maybe caught on to this by now.


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#5 Offline NicholasP - Posted June 1 2021 - 2:17 PM

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Also. Any Californians out there please don't take offense to this. But is it possible that Californians are just exaggerating the size or just accidently measuring them as a bit bigger? I don't know myself but it's a possibility. Just saying.


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#6 Offline JamesJohnson - Posted June 1 2021 - 2:30 PM

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It doesn't make too much sense why Californians would be consistently exaggerating the size but no one else does it all.


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#7 Offline NicholasP - Posted June 1 2021 - 2:34 PM

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Well I don't know but it's also a possibility that CA climate is different from AZ and Oklahoma climate which is causing them to be bigger.


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#8 Offline CheetoLord02 - Posted June 1 2021 - 2:51 PM

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I don't think it's exaggeration, I've seen pictures next to rulers and everything. If anyone has pictures of their sansabeanus with a measurement that they'd like to share, that would be great. Maybe we could see some morphological differences in queens from different areas or something.


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#9 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 1 2021 - 3:13 PM

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Pretty sure Tanaemyrmex is a mess no one wants to have to clean.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#10 Offline ReignofRage - Posted June 1 2021 - 7:17 PM

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People don't ID their queens well, most of the time they don't ID the queen and just assume it's the species they want it to be.  :lol:


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#11 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted June 2 2021 - 4:57 AM

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So... What if they aren't C. sansabeanus?


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