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[PetsNotPests]

Hey, I just wanted to make a topic on Invasive ant species here in California. So far, I have Brachymyrmex Patagonicus, Tetramorium Immigrans, Solenopsis Invicta, and everyone's favorite: Linepithema Humile. 

 

I just want to be more educated on what species are the good kind, and the bad kind. 

[ReignofRage]

Both Technomyrmex vitiensis and Stumigenys silverstii come to mind.

Edited by ReignofRage, June 8 2021 - 9:34 AM.

[PetsNotPests]

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

[nurbs]

We have C. modoc. Not the same species but quite similar.

 

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

[PetsNotPests]

 

We have C. modoc. Not the same species but quite similar.

 

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

 

Yes, I was thinking of just pretending that C. Modoc or Laevigatus where just C. Pennsylvanicus in disguise, but it just doesn't replace the real thing. I know that they look very similar, but like I said, its just not the same.  

[nurbs]

Laevigatus are quite different from Modocs and Penns. Forgot the paper where I read this, but Penns and Modocs are related, they are like cousins. Their genetic makeup makes a gradual shift from East to West, it's a mix - hence "Eastern Carpenter Ant" for Penns and "Western Carpenter Ant" for modocs. There are certain regions in the US where they are hard to distinguish from each other with the naked eye.

 

Not sure what part of CA you are in, but Modocs are flying around now. Now's your chance to get some!

 

 

 

We have C. modoc. Not the same species but quite similar.

 

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

 

Yes, I was thinking of just pretending that C. Modoc or Laevigatus where just C. Pennsylvanicus in disguise, but it just doesn't replace the real thing. I know that they look very similar, but like I said, its just not the same.  

 

[PetsNotPests]

 

Laevigatus are quite different from Modocs and Penns. Forgot the paper where I read this, but Penns and Modocs are related, they are like cousins. Their genetic makeup makes a gradual shift from East to West, it's a mix - hence "Eastern Carpenter Ant" for Penns and "Western Carpenter Ant" for modocs. There are certain regions in the US where they are hard to distinguish from each other with the naked eye.

 

Not sure what part of CA you are in, but Modocs are flying around now. Now's your chance to get some!

 

 

 

We have C. modoc. Not the same species but quite similar.

 

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

 

Yes, I was thinking of just pretending that C. Modoc or Laevigatus where just C. Pennsylvanicus in disguise, but it just doesn't replace the real thing. I know that they look very similar, but like I said, its just not the same.  

 

 

This is exactly the reason why I like Formiculture. With all of this help and advice, I learn something new all of the time. Thanks, nurbs. I really appreciate all of the help and support. 

[NPLT]

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

If I understand correctly, needs verification is a specimen who is yet to be identified of the exact species or was called for a reidentification, rather than not be sent into lab ( if that would be the case, then there would be no records at all ).

Edited by NPLT, June 8 2021 - 10:54 AM.

[PetsNotPests]

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

If I understand correctly, needs verification is a specimen who is yet to be identified of the exact species or was called for a reidentification, rather than not be sent into lab ( if that would be the case, then there would be no records at all ).

 

Ok, sounds good. 

[AntBoi3030]

I’ve heard anoplolepis gracilipes are down there

[PetsNotPests]

They're dubious here. See what the rest of the world thinks though...

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[AntBoi3030]

I really wish I could keep them tbh.

[NickAnter]

Pheidole navigans, Cardiocondyla mauritanica, and Cardiocondula minutior are some of the more minor invaders. I have not seen minutior in my yard for a while, but they used to be quite prevalent. Ph. navigans has a population that seems to wax and wane. 2020 was about the lowest I have seen them, but they are booming once again. C. mauritanica are becoming almost as common as L. humile in some areas, replacing them in many, as they can better tolerate dry conditions.

[PetsNotPests]

Good to know. Sad to hear how many invasive species are in California alone. 

[gcsnelling]

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

If I understand correctly, needs verification is a specimen who is yet to be identified of the exact species or was called for a reidentification, rather than not be sent into lab ( if that would be the case, then there would be no records at all ).

 

It could also imply that the specimen label data is suspect for some reason.

[NPLT]

 

 

While i'm at it, I might as well ask:

 

Camponotus Pennsylvanicus have been on my bucket list for many years now. The thing is, they don't live here in California, and to be exact, they don't live in the western parts of the US at all. Or so it seems. According to Antmaps.org, they "Need Verification" which means that people have seen them, just not sent them in to a lab to be properly ID'd. Am I understanding this correctly? I know that i'll never really be able to keep them, but rather wondering what exactly "Needs Verification" means. 

If I understand correctly, needs verification is a specimen who is yet to be identified of the exact species or was called for a reidentification, rather than not be sent into lab ( if that would be the case, then there would be no records at all ).

 

It could also imply that the specimen label data is suspect for some reason.

 

I think that would be then classified as dubious on AntMaps.

Edited by NPLT, June 8 2021 - 3:13 PM.

[ANTdrew]

This thread makes me wonder, haven’t y’all had enough bad news recently?