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Need ID on this species please.

Started By TacticalHandleGaming , May 29 2021 6:02 AM

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#1 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 29 2021 - 6:02 AM

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I was told this colony I bought from another local ant keeper was Solenopsis molesta. However when I got them home and took a closer look at them with brighter light, the coloration seems wrong. The head and gaster seem to be a dark brown. While their thorax is an orangeish brown color. I'm wondering now if they are something with a similar look, but different colors like Leptothorax muscorum. Any help I can get is very much appreciated.

 

I apologize in advance, they are very small, and hard to photograph. The queen is about 4-5mm (at most), while the workers are maybe 2mm.

 

 

 

 

 

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Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants

#2 Offline ANTS_KL - Posted May 29 2021 - 6:04 AM

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Welp they are totally not monomorium. Maybe leptothorax or temnothorax. Idk tbh

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Young ant keeper with a decent amount of knowledge on local ant species.

YouTube: https://m.youtube.co...uKsahGliSH7EqOQ (It's pretty dead. Might upload again soon, don't expect my voice to sound the same though.)

Currently kept ant species, favorites have a star in front of their names (NOT in alphabetical order, also may be outdated sometimes): ★ Camponotus irritans inferior, ★ Ooceraea biroi, Pheidole parva, ★ Nylanderia sp., ★ Paraparatrechina tapinomoides, Platythyrea sp., Anochetus sp., Colobopsis sp. (cylindrica group), ★ Crematogaster ferrarii, Polyrhachis (Myrma) cf. pruinosa, Polyrhachis (Cyrtomyrma) laevissima, Tapinoma sp. (formerly Zatapinoma)

Death count: Probably over a hundred individual queens and colonies by now. I cannot recall whatsoever.

#3 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 29 2021 - 6:31 AM

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Temnothorax rugatulus.
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My journals:

Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 29 2021 - 7:00 AM

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Temnothorax rugatulus.

You cannot get to species level with those photos. It could also very well be Temnothorax nevadensis, or T. rudis.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#5 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 29 2021 - 8:36 AM

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Temnothorax rugatulus.


You cannot get to species level with those photos. It could also very well be Temnothorax nevadensis, or T. rudis.
those species are very different than what is pictured here. Rudis are dark red and nevadensis are almost black. The pattern on these guys also matches rugatulus, and this species is the most common western temnothorax.
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My journals:

Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#6 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 29 2021 - 9:25 AM

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T. nevadensis is an extremely variable species. Color is never great for identification.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#7 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 29 2021 - 9:38 AM

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My very first thought was Temnothorax rugatulus as well, however I do agree that without better images and more information about habitat and nesting area of the wild ants species Id is  not going to be 100%. There are a couple of species which resemble Temnothorax rugatulus. but different nesting habitats would rule them out.


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#8 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 29 2021 - 9:57 AM

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Sadly I don't have a good enough camera to get better photos, and my digital microscope has even less detail. I'll have to see if I can borrow my buddies DSLR.


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Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants

#9 Offline TacticalHandleGaming - Posted May 29 2021 - 1:55 PM

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My very first thought was Temnothorax rugatulus as well, however I do agree that without better images and more information about habitat and nesting area of the wild ants species Id is  not going to be 100%. There are a couple of species which resemble Temnothorax rugatulus. but different nesting habitats would rule them out.

According to the guy that found them, they were under a rock in a wooded area of a park.


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Currently kept species

L. neoniger, P. occidentalis, C. modoc, C. novaeboracensis, C. vicinus, T. immigrans, A. occidentalis, S. molesta, P. imparis, M. kennedyi, M semirufus, F. pacifica, P. californica, M. ergatogyna.

 

Previously kept species

T. rugatulus, B. depilis.

 

Looking for

Myrmecocystus pyramicus, Myrmecocystus testaceus

Pheidole creightoni, Pheidole inquilina, Crematogaster coarctata, Crematogaster mutans

My youtube channel.  My ant Etsy store - Millennium Ants

#10 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 29 2021 - 2:34 PM

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Living under a stone points to this being T. rugatulus.


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