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Antcatcherpro's Pheidole bicarinata journal

Started By Antcatcherpro3 , May 24 2021 3:39 AM

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#41 Offline PetsNotPests - Posted May 26 2021 - 4:03 PM

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When should I give them a proper outworld. They are at about 8 workers right now.

You can give them one whenever you want, just make sure that they can't escape. 


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#42 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 26 2021 - 5:14 PM

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Ok. So in a few weeks I'll give them a outworld.


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#43 Offline AntBoi3030 - Posted May 27 2021 - 7:31 AM

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Yea, wait until a new generation of workers to eclose also mabye ID the sp and start a new one this one is kinda messed up lol


Edited by AntBoi3030, May 27 2021 - 7:32 AM.

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Pheidole Tysoni, Selonopis Molesta, Brachymyrmex Depilis, Tetramorium Immagrians, Prenolepis Imparis, Pheidole Bicirinata 

#44 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 27 2021 - 9:18 AM

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I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.


#45 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 27 2021 - 2:01 PM

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Ok, now I make this journal a real journal for talking about my colony. They are doing good, and have a LOT of brood. Mostly small larvae and eggs. I'm excited for this colony to grow.


#46 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 3:43 AM

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I will be posting on my other journal for all my species, but I might post here still a little bit. So I'm probably moving this journal to my other one.


#47 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted May 28 2021 - 5:32 AM

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I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

May I ask exactly how? It would be a new state record if it is Pheidole bicarinata so I am curious how you came to the conclusion. It isn't simply looking at a picture of it on Google.

 

Edit: typo


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#48 Offline Chickalo - Posted May 28 2021 - 5:44 AM

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I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

May I ask exactly how? It would be a new state record if it is Pheidole bicarinata so I am curious how you came to the conclusion. It isn't simply looking at a picture of it on Google.

 

Edit: typo

 

I second this.  Pheidole are pretty small so one probably shouldn't look at pictures to decide.  In Massachusetts Pheidole bicarinata so far has only been inside of greenhouses so if this was found outside under a rock this would be a new state record as Kael said.


Edited by Chickalo, May 28 2021 - 5:55 AM.

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シグナチャーです。예.

 

#49 Offline Antkeeper01 - Posted May 28 2021 - 5:45 AM

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I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

they are not


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#50 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:10 AM

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Idk then. For now I guess I'll call them Pheidole. sp. I don't feel like ID'ing a tiny ant that looks like pheidole bicarinata.


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#51 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:12 AM

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How am I supposed to ID them then? I'm not taking a worker out of the colony. 


#52 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:15 AM

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And if they aren't bicarinata or pilifera, then what species are they.


#53 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:16 AM

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I didn't look at pictures to decide the species. That's not all I do to ID ya know.

 

 

I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

May I ask exactly how? It would be a new state record if it is Pheidole bicarinata so I am curious how you came to the conclusion. It isn't simply looking at a picture of it on Google.

 

Edit: typo

 


#54 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:25 AM

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I didn't look at pictures to decide the species. That's not all I do to ID ya know.

 

 

I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

May I ask exactly how? It would be a new state record if it is Pheidole bicarinata so I am curious how you came to the conclusion. It isn't simply looking at a picture of it on Google.

 

Edit: typo

 

 

I wasn't accusing you of anything. My point is that you can't claim to have found a new state record and not explain how you figured it out, which you still haven't. Do you know for sure that they aren't Pheidole pilifera? As Chickalo said, Pheidole bicarinata were only found indoors in MA as of now, so if they are in fact P. bicarinata, you might want to tell an entomologist.

 

From what you have said, it seems like the colony was established so I would think antmaps would have updated MA to say that they are now found outside as well.


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#55 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:34 AM

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I don't use a microscope, so I might not be exact, but I do a lot of searching for what species I think I have and if they live in my state of not. So I could be off, but I spent a lot of time trying to find out if they were bicarinata or not.


#56 Online ANTdrew - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:45 AM

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Can you borrow a phone or digital camera from your parents to get high quality shots? That would help a lot with IDing them.


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#57 Offline Antkeeper014 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:49 AM

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And if they aren't bicarinata or pilifera, then what species are they.

We never doubted they were bicar or plifera, just that from the given pictures they are indistinguishable and therefore as you suggested, calling them pheidole sp. is appropriate atm. Now, if you have any way to take a better quality picture of the queen/major, we can give them a certain ID. These do look like bicarinata due to the majors profile, and the fact they were nesting under a rock (plifera tend make extremely deep nests) but again, no surefire way to ID from an orange blob. 

In addition to getting better pictures, queen size can also determine an ID. Bicar are much smaller/thinner (usually around 5-6ish mm), while pilifera are larger and bulkier (7ish mm, some of the big girls surpassing 8mm). The real difference between them is the width, 

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#58 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted May 28 2021 - 8:49 AM

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Maybe, I might be able to get shots on my own though. I'll figure it out. All I know is that these are either bicarinata or pilifera.


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#59 Offline MinigunL5 - Posted May 28 2021 - 11:07 AM

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I didn't look at pictures to decide the species. That's not all I do to ID ya know.

 

 

I did ID them. I am sure they are bicarinata.

May I ask exactly how? It would be a new state record if it is Pheidole bicarinata so I am curious how you came to the conclusion. It isn't simply looking at a picture of it on Google.

 

Edit: typo

 

 

I wasn't accusing you of anything. My point is that you can't claim to have found a new state record and not explain how you figured it out, which you still haven't. Do you know for sure that they aren't Pheidole pilifera? As Chickalo said, Pheidole bicarinata were only found indoors in MA as of now, so if they are in fact P. bicarinata, you might want to tell an entomologist.

 

From what you have said, it seems like the colony was established so I would think antmaps would have updated MA to say that they are now found outside as well.

 

An established population of P. bicarinata has already been found outside. P. davisi have also been found in MA.


#60 Offline Barristan - Posted May 28 2021 - 11:18 AM

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I prefer keeping small colonies in small outworlds like I posted in my Monomorium floricola journal. The advantage is that you have full control and see at once where they are and if things go wrong (too many dead ants).

I'd advise against putting them into a large outworld and/or nest.

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