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#1 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 9 2021 - 1:47 PM

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1. Location (on a map) of collection: Wenatchee washington suburb backyard 
2. Date of collection: may 9th 2021
3. Habitat of collection: underneath a planter 
4. Length (from head to gaster): 1-3 mm
5. Color, hue, pattern and texture: black with stripes on gaster 
6. Distinguishing characteristics: long body/gaster 
7. Distinguishing behavior: N/A
8. Nest description:  N/A

9. Nuptial flight time and date: N/A

 

if anyone is able to tell is this a queen ant or just a worker?

 

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#2 Offline NPLT - Posted May 9 2021 - 1:52 PM

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Either Hypoponera punctatissima or Hypoponera opacior


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Um, uh, Ants!

 

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#3 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 9 2021 - 1:59 PM

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Either Hypoponera punctatissima or Hypoponera opacior

Do you have anymore info on the species? From what I’ve just read I didn’t really get much. Also any idea if it’s a queen or just a worker?

#4 Offline NPLT - Posted May 9 2021 - 2:06 PM

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Either Hypoponera punctatissima or Hypoponera opacior

Do you have anymore info on the species? From what I’ve just read I didn’t really get much. Also any idea if it’s a queen or just a worker?

 

They are cryptic so they like it wet, very wet, you should add soil to the tube because they can't grip onto glass and plastic easily. If I remember correctly they are semi-claustral and in nature hunt springtails, so you should consider getting a culture of those, but they should accept flies. About the worker or queen, I don't know, it isn't the season for them.


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#5 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 9 2021 - 2:09 PM

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Either Hypoponera punctatissima or Hypoponera opacior

Do you have anymore info on the species? From what I’ve just read I didn’t really get much. Also any idea if it’s a queen or just a worker?

 

They are cryptic so they like it wet, very wet, you should add soil to the tube because they can't grip onto glass and plastic easily. If I remember correctly they are semi-claustral and in nature hunt springtails, so you should consider getting a culture of those, but they should accept flies. About the worker or queen, I don't know, it isn't the season for them.

 

ok thank you for the info. i will probally keep it then and try and see if i can get some clear pictures of some wing scars and if i can't tell well ill just keep it and see if it starts to lay eggs lol.



#6 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 9 2021 - 2:29 PM

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There appear to be chewed off wing stubs which would make this a queen. The appropriate usage of the term "cryptic species" does not refer to their habit of living in the soil, but rather to  there  often being several species which are all similar and nearly impossible to separate visually.


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#7 Offline NPLT - Posted May 9 2021 - 2:41 PM

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There appear to be chewed off wing stubs which would make this a queen. The appropriate usage of the term "cryptic species" does not refer to their habit of living in the soil, but rather to  there  often being several species which are all similar and nearly impossible to separate visually.

Good to know! I must have misunderstood it's usage from another thread.


Um, uh, Ants!

 

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#8 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 9 2021 - 3:07 PM

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There appear to be chewed off wing stubs which would make this a queen. The appropriate usage of the term "cryptic species" does not refer to their habit of living in the soil, but rather to  there  often being several species which are all similar and nearly impossible to separate visually.

so dose this mean i should not keep it moist or should i still do this?



#9 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 9 2021 - 4:52 PM

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There appear to be chewed off wing stubs which would make this a queen. The appropriate usage of the term "cryptic species" does not refer to their habit of living in the soil, but rather to  there  often being several species which are all similar and nearly impossible to separate visually.

Good to know! I must have misunderstood it's usage from another thread.

 

It is commonly misused among the ant keeping crowd.



#10 Offline gcsnelling - Posted May 9 2021 - 4:55 PM

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I have little experience with these ants but I think I would try them in a damp soil type set up.



#11 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 9 2021 - 4:59 PM

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I have little experience with these ants but I think I would try them in a damp soil type set up.

Ok good to know, thank you!

#12 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted May 10 2021 - 3:18 AM

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It is a queen and soil is a must (at least imo). She will need food during founding. I've found springtails to be a favorite. Mine also accepted cricket and dubia roach legs. My queen never accepted any sugars (at least liquid ones).



#13 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 10 2021 - 12:44 PM

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It is a queen and soil is a must (at least imo). She will need food during founding. I've found springtails to be a favorite. Mine also accepted cricket and dubia roach legs. My queen never accepted any sugars (at least liquid ones).

good to know, when she starts laying eggs how long do you think it will take for them to become workers 



#14 Offline ZTYguy - Posted May 10 2021 - 1:07 PM

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I’d give it a month to 2 months


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#15 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted May 10 2021 - 1:38 PM

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I’d give it a month to 2 months

Mine had eggs for like 2 months. She was on heat too. 

 

On second thought she probably ate them at some point, but she did have them for a very long time.


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I’d give it a month to 2 months

Mine had eggs for like 2 months. She was on heat too.

On second thought she probably ate them at some point, but she did have them for a very long time.
Interesting, did she ever have workers or just layer the eggs and ate them?

#17 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 10 2021 - 6:29 PM

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From what I have seen, plaster and hydrostone nests with some substrate seem to be the best. They are primarily carnivorous, and so rarely accept sugars. Their main protein is springtails and other small insects.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#18 Offline Crazycow - Posted May 10 2021 - 6:34 PM

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From what I have seen, plaster and hydrostone nests with some substrate seem to be the best. They are primarily carnivorous, and so rarely accept sugars. Their main protein is springtails and other small insects.

i have looked for springtales in my local pet stores but could not find any and am going to order some, is there any substitute i could use in the meantime? 



#19 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 10 2021 - 6:41 PM

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Booklice. She might accept termites as well, along with fruit flies.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#20 Offline M_Ants - Posted May 10 2021 - 6:43 PM

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Dead fruit fly. 


Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

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