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Started By JoeByron , May 3 2021 10:22 AM

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#1 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 10:22 AM

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Found while removing plastic for my garden. They were in dirt and on a small branch. They're incredible small.

Sorry for the bad pic. I could get it to spread out on the slide.

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#2 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 3 2021 - 10:24 AM

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Nylanderia sp i think.
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#3 Offline Ferox_Formicae - Posted May 3 2021 - 10:26 AM

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Prenolepis imparis without a doubt. Proportions are wrong for Nylanderia. The mesosomal constriction is also too prominent.


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#4 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 3 2021 - 10:41 AM

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They're incredible small.

 

Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.


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#5 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 10:46 AM

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They're incredible small.


Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small

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#6 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted May 3 2021 - 11:08 AM

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They're incredible small.


Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small

 

0.5mm is a speck.


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#7 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 3 2021 - 1:16 PM

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They're incredible small.


Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small
no ant in North America is that small. Could it be brachymyrmex? Those come the closest.
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#8 Offline NPLT - Posted May 3 2021 - 1:27 PM

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They're incredible small.


Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small

 

The only ants of that size I know of are Carebara atoma and Plagiolepis alluaudi and those are from Micronesia and Africa respectively.


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Um, uh, Ants!

 

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#9 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 3 2021 - 1:59 PM

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I still think this is Nylanderia. Rigorous measurements (don't just eyeball it. As stated above, no ant in NA is less than 1mm in length) or clear photographs would really help.


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#10 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 2:01 PM

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They're incredible small.


Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small

 

0.5mm is a speck.

 

 

 

Why this country couldn't of switched away from imperial before I was an adult would of been great. Its like 5 little slashes before the bigger 1 on a ruler on the mm side of things. I'm going to teach myself this tonight. But Felt I should show how dumb I am so incase mr. Biden is on this form he can make the switch for us, so no one else has to suffer this shame.


#11 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 3 2021 - 2:27 PM

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They're incredible small.

Measurement in mm is ideal, but I second Nylanderia.
I mean like. Probably 1mm or .5mm. Like realllllly small
0.5mm is a speck.


Why this country couldn't of switched away from imperial before I was an adult would of been great. Its like 5 little slashes before the bigger 1 on a ruler on the mm side of things. I'm going to teach myself this tonight. But Felt I should show how dumb I am so incase mr. Biden is on this form he can make the switch for us, so no one else has to suffer this shame.
that's 5mm. Actually seems quite big now.

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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#12 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 3 2021 - 2:34 PM

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If it is 5mm then it is Prenolepis.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#13 Offline VoidElecent - Posted May 3 2021 - 2:47 PM

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Yes, 5mm is by no means incredibly small. Even a picture of the ant next to a ruler would help.


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#14 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 3:11 PM

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Prenolepis imparis without a doubt. Proportions are wrong for Nylanderia. The mesosomal constriction is also too prominent.

 

 

I think youre right. Imma bust out the compound microscope when i get off and try to get better photos. 


Yes, 5mm is by no means incredibly small. Even a picture of the ant next to a ruler would help.

 

 

I'll try, I need to buy slides with a ruler on it. 


#15 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 3:15 PM

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its like 1 or two mm they are soooooo tiny. like grain of rice.


#16 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 3 2021 - 4:31 PM

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its like 1 or two mm they are soooooo tiny. like grain of rice.

what color are they (off of the microscope)
My journals:

Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#17 Offline JoeByron - Posted May 3 2021 - 4:33 PM

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its like 1 or two mm they are soooooo tiny. like grain of rice.

what color are they (off of the microscope)

 

 

 

black


#18 Offline Manitobant - Posted May 3 2021 - 6:09 PM

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I'm gonna say brachymyrmex patagonicus. If you insist its that small, there is nothing else it could be.
My journals:

Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#19 Offline NickAnter - Posted May 3 2021 - 8:00 PM

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This looks nothing like Brachymyrmex to me. I think this is either Nylanderia or Prenolepis, and that would easily be solved with an accurate measurement.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

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