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Greece,Athens October 31st 5 queens.Same species?

Started By alex-barty , Oct 31 2020 3:09 AM

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#1 Offline alex-barty - Posted October 31 2020 - 3:09 AM

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Hello,I found these queens today and I was wondering if they were the same species.Photos aren't as good as they could be.Each queen has 2 pictures,I will be posting them in order.Humid day,22degres Centigrade found them in the afternooun in lightly wooded area.Thank you in advance:)

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#2 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted October 31 2020 - 7:15 AM

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Messor? Sorry I’m not familiar with European species.

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#3 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 31 2020 - 7:33 AM

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I'm not familiar with the ants in Greece, but I'd bet this is Messor or something similar.


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#4 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 31 2020 - 8:05 AM

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Definitely messor. Not sure what species though.
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#5 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 31 2020 - 8:09 AM

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Definitely messor. Not sure what species though.

Yeah, I've spent the last hour or so looking through the ants in Greece. I think this is actually one of the Aphaenogaster species. Could be wrong, however.


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#6 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 31 2020 - 12:24 PM

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Definitely messor. Not sure what species though.

Yeah, I've spent the last hour or so looking through the ants in Greece. I think this is actually one of the Aphaenogaster species. Could be wrong, however.
I took another look and it appears that you are partially correct. The queen in the first few photos is very likely an aphaenogaster species, but the other queen is 100% messor. No aphaenogaster has that head shape.

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General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#7 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted October 31 2020 - 1:54 PM

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Definitely messor. Not sure what species though.

Yeah, I've spent the last hour or so looking through the ants in Greece. I think this is actually one of the Aphaenogaster species. Could be wrong, however.
I took another look and it appears that you are partially correct. The queen in the first few photos is very likely an aphaenogaster species, but the other queen is 100% messor. No aphaenogaster has that head shape.

 

You're right! I didn't catch that.


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#8 Offline ponerinecat - Posted October 31 2020 - 5:27 PM

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What? This is Messor, nothing else it could be. Larger European Aphaenogaster are incredibly distinct and the ones that might look somewhat like this are much smaller than the ants pictured.


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#9 Offline Manitobant - Posted November 1 2020 - 7:25 AM

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The third picture is 100% aphaenogaster.
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Polyergus Mexicanus: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry175528
Lasius minutus: https://www.formicul...cs/#entry174811
Lasius latipes: https://www.formicul...gs/#entry206449
General acanthomyops journal: https://www.formicul...yops-with-eggs/

#10 Offline ponerinecat - Posted November 1 2020 - 10:31 AM

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Every single one of these queens lacks prominent propodeal spines. there's not a single Mediterranean Aphaenogaster this could be.


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