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Honeypot Alate Larvae or Full Sized Worker?


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#1 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 19 2020 - 1:13 PM

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My honeypot's larvae have been growing for a while and one made a cocoon. The other however continues to grow and is giant. Is this an alate larvae or is it just a full sized worker?
 
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Edited by M_Ants, October 19 2020 - 1:20 PM.

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Veromessor pergandei

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Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

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#2 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:11 PM

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Eeeeee that’s a big one but there is nothing way that could be a full sized worker because there's not that large of a difference.
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#3 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:24 PM

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So it's just a bigger worker?


Veromessor pergandei

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#4 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:25 PM

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It looks like it could be a replete since your colony doesn't seem to have any yet. They are usually bigger.
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#5 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:27 PM

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Epic! That is much better news. I hope your right. Didn't realize repletes were different from workers other than drinking more liquids.


Veromessor pergandei

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Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

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#6 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:27 PM

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Usually the repletes are larger so maybe but it’s either a replete or alate.
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#7 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:27 PM

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Isn't it bad if it's an alate?


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#8 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:29 PM

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Its probably a replete so don't worry about it. At this colony size there isn't anything else it could be except a trophic egg (male) but those are usually eaten immediately.

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#9 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:30 PM

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Ok thanks.


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#10 Offline TechAnt - Posted October 19 2020 - 2:40 PM

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Awesome! It will be great to see a replete! 


My Ants:
(x1) Campontous semitstaceus ~20 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Camponotus vicinus ~10 workers, 1 Queen (all black variety)
(x1) Tetramorium immigrans ~100 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Myrmercocystus mexicanus -1 Queen
(x2) Mymercocystus mimcus -1 Queen
(x1) Mymercocystus testaceus ~45 workers, 1 Queen

#11 Offline M_Ants - Posted October 26 2020 - 7:56 PM

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This thing finally made a cocoon. I'm still sketched out by how big it is. 

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Veromessor pergandei

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Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

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C. yogi 

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#12 Offline KitsAntVa - Posted October 27 2020 - 4:00 AM

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Bigger worker, replete, alate. It could be either, sometimes repletes are bigger meaning they were chosen as the colony because you can clearly see in tarheelants video a myrmecocystus mimicus queen and around 10 workers has dark black looking small workers while the repletes are like 2 times bigger than the worker and they are lighter colored. You won't know what it is until it comes out of its cocoon. And if its a replete until you feed it liquids.


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#13 Offline ponerinecat - Posted October 27 2020 - 12:09 PM

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Repletes are not a separate anatomical caste. They are created when soft workers are fed to the point of bursting to stretch out the integument, it is not a predetermined difference. However larger workers are usually selected to become repletes, so it might seem like they are separate from the normal workers.


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#14 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 27 2020 - 12:38 PM

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Some other honeypot species do have a distinct replete caste though, like proformica mongolica or brachymyrmex giardi. Their large workers are always the repletes and the smaller ones are always workers.

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#15 Offline ponerinecat - Posted October 27 2020 - 12:43 PM

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Proformica and Brachymyrmex are not Myrmecocystus.



#16 Offline Manitobant - Posted October 27 2020 - 1:59 PM

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I wasnt saying they are, i was saying that some honeypots do in fact have a separate replete caste.

#17 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted October 28 2020 - 8:16 AM

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I wasnt saying they are, i was saying that some honeypots do in fact have a separate replete caste.

Their point was that this thread is about Myrmecocystus.






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