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[Manitobant]

I would like to note that what I'm about to say is completely hypothetical, it has not been confirmed or even suggested.


So let's say the USA decided to enact a new law that allows all native ants from all over the country to be transported through state lines. However, ALL introduced ant species, such as solenopsis invicta, pheidole megacephala, and even the common tetramorium immigrans, would be completely banned from the hobby and illegal in every state, including states where they can be caught locally. How would you guys feel if something like this actually happened?

Edited by Manitobant, September 20 2020 - 1:24 PM.

[SleepyAsianAnter]

Edited by SleepyAsianAnter, September 20 2020 - 1:40 PM.

[BlueLance213]

Would the banning of it be retroactive, i.e if you have a colony of a newly illegal species require destruction?

 

I am not in the US, but personally it would depend where I lived, if these introduced species were all that existed I would lose the fun of looking for them myself, but on the bright side I would be able to get ants without the need for a permit to cross borders. 

 

If it requires destruction of colonies currently possessed I would be against it, as you can still get ones cross border by filling out the appropriate paperwork right?

[DDD101DDD]

I honestly do not see a problem, aside from the possibility of other species native to some parts of the US becoming invasive to other parts.

[Martialis]

Seems like a good way to create both an underground market (or expand the one currently existing) and create introduced species in the form of Nearctic ones.

Also, bye-bye Hawaiian ant keeping.

Edited by Martialis, September 20 2020 - 1:44 PM.

[Manitobant]

Seems like a good way to create both an underground market (or expand the one currently existing) and create introduced species in the form of Nearctic ones.
Also, bye-bye Hawaiian ant keeping.

you think people will actually make an underground market for invasives when everything else is legal?

[gcsnelling]

They would in a heartbeat.

[BlueLance213]

 

Seems like a good way to create both an underground market (or expand the one currently existing) and create introduced species in the form of Nearctic ones.
Also, bye-bye Hawaiian ant keeping.

you think people will actually make an underground market for invasives when everything else is legal?

 

Dam straight they would, they would essentially become exotics in places you cannot naturally get them. Just because of the fact they become illegal. I mean you already have a market for ants that you can't get that are just a border away from you already.

[Manitobant]

Lol but why would you choose invicta over myrmecocystus or atta? People are idiots i guess

Edited by Manitobant, September 20 2020 - 2:01 PM.

[BlueLance213]

Lol but why would you choose invicta over myrmecocystus or atta? People are idiots i guess

 

Same reason people buy exotic animals from all over the world, because its something they can't get by them. Or its the excitement of having it. There is loads of people and reasons, and that's sadly part of what drives black markets, I mean look at the amount of animals getting killed just for medicinal purposes of horns etc, No doubt someone out there will sell a common now illegal species as some aphrodisiac lol

 

Obviously its hypothetical, but there is always a demand

Edited by BlueLance213, September 20 2020 - 2:06 PM.

[RushmoreAnts]

As a direct answer to the topic's question:

 

 

Dream come true.

Edited by AntsDakota, September 20 2020 - 2:07 PM.

[BlueLance213]

I think it would be good if you, as an ant keeper could just get a permit, and that's it. If an outbreak happens you can be held accountable. But that's me lol

 

Also man I love Data, I miss the shows

[FSTP]

No

[NickAnter]

In principle, it would be a half decent solution, but, I believe, in practice, it would create a whole bunch of trouble, with people saying invasives were natives, and that would inevitably create an even larger black market. I believe, a better solution, is to make getting permits easier, so that it is easier to keep track of things.

[Ants_Dakota]

I would like it only if the ants that came across the border were already native in that state.

[Antkid12]

As a direct answer to the topic's question:

 

 

Dream come true.

Same.

[Kaelwizard]

I would like it only if the ants that came across the border were already native in that state.

Yeah otherwise you run the risk of a species becoming invasive in your area.