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Poll: Which should I do? (4 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Leave alone in drawer till they outgrow current setup. (2 votes [50.00%])

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  2. Move into light and acclimate them to it. (2 votes [50.00%])

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#1 Offline M_Ants - Posted August 10 2020 - 11:45 AM

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I've got a colony of V. pergandei. that is doing really well. However, I haven't been able to enjoy them very much because I've been keeping them in a drawer so they aren't stressed out. At what point should I expose them to light? Mini hearths are open to light. In Miles' formicarium seminar thing on youtube he talks very positively about keeping ants in the light and says they adapt to it. Should I wait till they are in a less exposed formicarium? Thanks.

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Edited by M_Ants, August 10 2020 - 5:12 PM.

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

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#2 Offline Croux - Posted August 10 2020 - 1:13 PM

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I think stress related to light is abated quite a bit by colony size. And as you've read, by them being used to it. However, during founding, I wouldn't bug them much with light.

You could wrap the tube in red acetate so you could fool them? At least while you keep them in the tube and you wish to view them regularly.
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#3 Offline Froggy - Posted August 10 2020 - 1:55 PM

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I put my Brachymyrmex in a tubs and tubes setup and put a sheet of tin foil on their tube so not as much light gets in, I can lift up the tin foil whenever I want to view them


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#4 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted August 10 2020 - 2:02 PM

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I've noticed that Myrmicinaes are much less sensitive to light than Formicinaes (in general, with exceptions). My Camponotus and Formica absolutely hate light, while my Myrmica, Aphaenogaster, and Solenopsis molesta don't mind it. However, an exception to this would be Pogonomyrmex, who hate light more than the Formica and Camponotus combined.  %)


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#5 Offline ponerinecat - Posted August 10 2020 - 2:28 PM

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Most ants can be acclimated to light filled conditions. it just takes time and may take a toll on the colony, especially in the very sensitive species.



#6 Offline ANTdrew - Posted August 10 2020 - 4:00 PM

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I've noticed that Myrmicinaes are much less sensitive to light than Formicinaes (in general, with exceptions). My Camponotus and Formica absolutely hate light, while my Myrmica, Aphaenogaster, and Solenopsis molesta don't mind it. However, an exception to this would be Pogonomyrmex, who hate light more than the Formica and Camponotus combined. %)

This is true. I realized this summer that I’m mostly a Myrmicine person.
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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.

#7 Offline M_Ants - Posted August 10 2020 - 5:09 PM

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Made poll on what I should do.


Edited by M_Ants, August 10 2020 - 5:13 PM.

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

https://www.youtube....FG7utFVBA/about


#8 Offline M_Ants - Posted August 10 2020 - 5:12 PM

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Edited by M_Ants, August 10 2020 - 5:13 PM.

Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

https://www.youtube....FG7utFVBA/about


#9 Offline ConcordAntman - Posted August 11 2020 - 8:33 AM

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I’d suggest the foil tube covering. Move it to check the foundlings  it keep it in place to let them chill out. From your picture you’ve got enough workers to be a bit more liberal with your light exposure. Still I’d moderate light exposure for the benefit of the colony. I’ve got a 3 year old C. americanus colony that’s still light sensitive. 



#10 Offline NickAnter - Posted August 11 2020 - 10:35 AM

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I've noticed that Myrmicinaes are much less sensitive to light than Formicinaes (in general, with exceptions). My Camponotus and Formica absolutely hate light, while my Myrmica, Aphaenogaster, and Solenopsis molesta don't mind it. However, an exception to this would be Pogonomyrmex, who hate light more than the Formica and Camponotus combined. %)

This is true. I realized this summer that I’m mostly a Myrmicine person.
I seem to have limitied success with Myrmecines. Anyway, I have found Lasius to not really care about light at all, and large Nylanderia colonies like mine are acclimated to it.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#11 Offline ANTdrew - Posted August 11 2020 - 10:41 AM

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I’d suggest the foil tube covering. Move it to check the foundlings it keep it in place to let them chill out. From your picture you’ve got enough workers to be a bit more liberal with your light exposure. Still I’d moderate light exposure for the benefit of the colony. I’ve got a 3 year old C. americanus colony that’s still light sensitive.

This is the third option that’s not in your poll, and it’s the best route, imo. Keeping everything dark isn’t a good idea because then you’ll freak out the colony every time you feed or care for them. Just make the tube dark with tin foil.
Edit: a drawer is not good either because you’re causing a mini-earthquake everytime you open it, which will stress the ants more.

Edited by ANTdrew, August 11 2020 - 10:43 AM.

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Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.

#12 Offline M_Ants - Posted August 11 2020 - 11:24 AM

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I’d suggest the foil tube covering. Move it to check the foundlings it keep it in place to let them chill out. From your picture you’ve got enough workers to be a bit more liberal with your light exposure. Still I’d moderate light exposure for the benefit of the colony. I’ve got a 3 year old C. americanus colony that’s still light sensitive.

This is the third option that’s not in your poll, and it’s the best route, imo. Keeping everything dark isn’t a good idea because then you’ll freak out the colony every time you feed or care for them. Just make the tube dark with tin foil.
Edit: a drawer is not good either because you’re causing a mini-earthquake everytime you open it, which will stress the ants more.

 

Thanks. I think I'm going to go this route. Thought about it a while back and totally forgot it was an option. :)


Veromessor pergandei

Veromessor andrei

Crematogaster sp. 

Pogonomyrmex cf cali and rugosus

Various Pheidole

C. yogi 

https://www.youtube....FG7utFVBA/about


#13 Offline BlueLance213 - Posted August 11 2020 - 2:19 PM

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I've actually kept all of my queens that I find out in the open, they get dim natural light that makes it through my blinds and the light in my room is very dull as well, maybe 25W, but so far none of them seem to have complained or had problems bar them being... well captured and stuffed into a test tube set up XD






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