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#1 Offline LiMike - Posted August 3 2020 - 6:27 PM

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Hi Guys, I was wondering if you can help me out with ID this queen. I took a picture next to a tetramorium queen so you can get a size comparison. I was thinking Aphaenogaster picea but her head is red? 

Thank you in advance 

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#2 Offline Aaron567 - Posted August 3 2020 - 6:33 PM

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Looks like Pheidole pilifera. 


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#3 Offline LiMike - Posted August 3 2020 - 6:34 PM

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Looks like Pheidole pilifera. Where are you located?

Hi Aaron, I am located on Long Island, New York 



#4 Offline Otter - Posted August 3 2020 - 6:50 PM

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Yup this is definitely pilifera. They enjoy the sandy soils of the pine barrens, particularly nesting under rocks in somewhat sandy areas. They also only really fly during/after rains.
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#5 Offline LiMike - Posted August 3 2020 - 6:56 PM

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Looks like Pheidole pilifera. 

 

 

Yup this is definitely pilifera. They enjoy the sandy soils of the pine barrens, particularly nesting under rocks in somewhat sandy areas. They also only really fly during/after rains.

 

Thank you very much Guys, I really appreciate your help on this. I was not aware that Pheidole was in my area. I found a couple that are doing very well, I just wasn't sure what they were.

Thanks again 



#6 Offline TechAnt - Posted August 3 2020 - 7:36 PM

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Yeah Pheidole are mostly very small ants, fun to keep too!
My Ants:
(x1) Campontous semitstaceus ~20 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Camponotus vicinus ~10 workers, 1 Queen (all black variety)
(x1) Tetramorium immigrans ~100 workers, 1 Queen
(x1) Myrmercocystus mexicanus -1 Queen
(x2) Mymercocystus mimcus -1 Queen
(x1) Mymercocystus testaceus ~45 workers, 1 Queen

#7 Offline Antkid12 - Posted August 4 2020 - 4:35 AM

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Nice queen, she is pretty big for pheidole!


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Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#8 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted August 4 2020 - 6:15 AM

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Nice. Pheidole are actually rare here, so it's a pretty good find.


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#9 Offline LiMike - Posted August 4 2020 - 8:43 AM

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Nice. Pheidole are actually rare here, so it's a pretty good find.

Thank you very much!! Yes, I sent a picture to a friend of mine asking him to help with an ID about a week ago. I mentioned that I thought it was Pheidole as well but we both thought Pheidole wasn't on Long Island? I found 4 and all with eggs now (all found on different days) He thought she looked parasitic Lasius from there top view but definitely not from the side.


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#10 Offline Otter - Posted August 4 2020 - 3:27 PM

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Looks like Pheidole pilifera. 

 

 

Yup this is definitely pilifera. They enjoy the sandy soils of the pine barrens, particularly nesting under rocks in somewhat sandy areas. They also only really fly during/after rains.

 

Thank you very much Guys, I really appreciate your help on this. I was not aware that Pheidole was in my area. I found a couple that are doing very well, I just wasn't sure what they were.

Thanks again 

 

 

 

 

Nice. Pheidole are actually rare here, so it's a pretty good find.

Thank you very much!! Yes, I sent a picture to a friend of mine asking him to help with an ID about a week ago. I mentioned that I thought it was Pheidole as well but we both thought Pheidole wasn't on Long Island? I found 4 and all with eggs now (all found on different days) He thought she looked parasitic Lasius from there top view but definitely not from the side.

 

You actually have several pheidole species in Long Island. You have Pheidole bicarinata, Pheidole davisi, Pheidole morrisii, Pheidole pilifera, and Pheidole tysoni, with Pheidole morrisii and Pheidole pilifera are especially common in the pine barrens. 


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#11 Offline LiMike - Posted August 4 2020 - 6:16 PM

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Thank is very interesting Otter, Thank you very much for your help and info on this!! I will be sure to keep an eye out for them. So its pretty safe to say this little lady is Pheidole pilifera? I would love to see some big headed ants in her future!! 

Thanks again 



#12 Offline Otter - Posted August 5 2020 - 5:40 PM

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Yes, Pheidole pilifera on the east coast is extremely distinct. The pilifera group is mainly in the southwest US although several of the NY species are in the group (all except pilifera probably shouldn't be). They are pretty distinct, they have very chunky heads (queens and majors) compared to fallax group.
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#13 Offline LiMike - Posted August 5 2020 - 6:15 PM

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Thank you again Otter, I really appreciate all the help with this. I noticed 3 out of the 4 queens that I have look very similar but slightly different. All same shape and size but One has a red head with black gastor and thorax. The other red head, red thorax and black gastor and the third is all red. Are they the same species just different coloring or different species of Pheidole?

Thanks again!!

 

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#14 Offline ANTdrew - Posted August 6 2020 - 6:17 AM

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Try blacklighting next June, and you’ll get lots of Pheidole bicarinata.
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#15 Offline Otter - Posted August 6 2020 - 8:50 PM

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Yes, that is just individual variation. Pheidole pilifera can be extremely bright yellowish red or they caan be nearly black. All still pilifera though. You have some very nicely colored queens, the top two and the 7th look like they have some brightish reds and cool patterns.
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#16 Offline PurdueEntomology - Posted August 6 2020 - 8:53 PM

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Hi Guys, I was wondering if you can help me out with ID this queen. I took a picture next to a tetramorium queen so you can get a size comparison. I was thinking Aphaenogaster picea but her head is red? 

Thank you in advance 

Interesting variation in the two in cephalic/thoracic size ratios



#17 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted August 7 2020 - 9:55 AM

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Nice queen, she is pretty big for pheidole!

This is normal for pilifera


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Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis





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