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2 Larvae (1 in a cocoon) disappeared with no trace


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#1 Offline Lars - Posted July 27 2020 - 5:32 AM

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So I got Camponotus barbaricus recently and I had 2 big larvae that were in the test tube 

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They recently disappeared I checked under the cotton, under the queen everywhere but they are no where to be found.

 

I acknowledge the fact that the queen could have eaten them but there is no trace of a cocoon casting around and escape from the test tube doesn't seem possible.

So I am kind of at a loss here

 

Edit: also the queen's gaster didn't get bigger I feel like


Edited by Lars, July 27 2020 - 5:36 AM.


#2 Offline Spazmops - Posted July 27 2020 - 8:03 AM

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There’s a possibility the ants burrowed into the cotton and hid the brood, and that they blend in so well you can’t see them


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1 Formica fusca group- 0 workers

1 Tetramorium immigrans colony-20 workers

1 Dorymyrmex insanus- 1 queen, used to have workers

 

1 large P. occidentalis colony- around 50 workers, plenty of brood

 

 


#3 Offline Antkid12 - Posted July 27 2020 - 8:23 AM

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This happened to me once.


Edited by Antkid12, July 27 2020 - 8:25 AM.

Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#4 Offline Antkid12 - Posted July 27 2020 - 8:24 AM

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So I got Camponotus barbaricus recently and I had 2 big larvae that were in the test tube 

attachicon.gifpost-5265-0-33399000-1595418535.png

 

They recently disappeared I checked under the cotton, under the queen everywhere but they are no where to be found.

 

I acknowledge the fact that the queen could have eaten them but there is no trace of a cocoon casting around and escape from the test tube doesn't seem possible.

So I am kind of at a loss here

 

Edit: also the queen's gaster didn't get bigger I feel like

This happened to me once. 


Edited by Antkid12, July 27 2020 - 8:25 AM.

Ants I have: Tapinoma sessile(2 queen colony). RED MORPH Camponotus neacticus(now has pupae!), Tetramorium immigrans (x3), Aphaenogaster sp, Temnothorax sp, Brachymyrmex sp.   possibly infertile   :(,  Ponera pennsylvanica, and Pheidole morrisi!  :yahoo: 

 

Other insects: Polistes sp. Queen

                    

Ants I need: Pheidole sp., Trachymyrmex sp., Crematogaster cerasi , Dorymyrmex sp. Most wanted: Pheidole morrisii

 

                    

                   

 

 


#5 Offline Lars - Posted July 27 2020 - 10:01 AM

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So I got Camponotus barbaricus recently and I had 2 big larvae that were in the test tube 
attachicon.gifpost-5265-0-33399000-1595418535.png
 
They recently disappeared I checked under the cotton, under the queen everywhere but they are no where to be found.
 
I acknowledge the fact that the queen could have eaten them but there is no trace of a cocoon casting around and escape from the test tube doesn't seem possible.
So I am kind of at a loss here
 
Edit: also the queen's gaster didn't get bigger I feel like

This happened to me once.
My queen can do magic :o

There’s a possibility the ants burrowed into the cotton and hid the brood, and that they blend in so well you can’t see them


That could definitely be possible its what i can hope for

#6 Offline Spazmops - Posted July 27 2020 - 10:20 AM

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That’s probably all it is, a pupa and a giant larva is a very big thing for a queen to eat


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Ants I have:

1 Formica fusca group- 0 workers

1 Tetramorium immigrans colony-20 workers

1 Dorymyrmex insanus- 1 queen, used to have workers

 

1 large P. occidentalis colony- around 50 workers, plenty of brood

 

 


#7 Online ANTdrew - Posted July 27 2020 - 10:39 AM

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Camponotus love eating their own brood. They’re some of the dumbest and weirdest ants around.
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#8 Offline DDD101DDD - Posted July 27 2020 - 10:49 AM

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Did you feed them yet?


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#9 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted July 27 2020 - 11:11 AM

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Camponotus love eating their own brood. They’re some of the dumbest and weirdest ants around.

Yeah I admit, over the winter when my C. fragilis ate their brood, they apparently started with the biggest pupae and seemed to enjoy ripping the pale white almost-formed ants apart and slurping them down. It was super weird. And no, no traces of the cocoons afterward.


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Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus (inactive)

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and californicus (inactive)

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.


#10 Offline ponerinecat - Posted July 27 2020 - 12:55 PM

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Brood consumption seems pretty common among Camponotus. I've actually never had it happen to me with larger brood, pupae, larvae, etc, but eggs are often consumed. 



#11 Offline Lars - Posted July 27 2020 - 1:17 PM

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Did you feed them yet?


I fed them pure honey since I've only had them for a week (bought them) i fed them honey first day and now after a week i fed them a spider after hearing they need protein so early. So that was probably it

#12 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted July 27 2020 - 1:54 PM

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Camponotus are calm ants, yet when they actually do 'freak out', they have a very high chance of eating brood of all stages.


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#13 Offline BlueLance213 - Posted August 1 2020 - 7:23 PM

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My caponotus are anything but calm, and sadly have eaten all their brood twice... Hopefully they are just hiding them, they seem to have a knack for hiding, or mine do.






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