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#1 Offline ArmyAntz - Posted June 16 2020 - 4:18 AM

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So my nests/test tubes have all recently started having big condensation buildups. I know this is because I started using a heat mat, but there's no way I can keep my room temp as high as the nest is.

 

So do I need to be worrying about the condensation? I'm more worried about whether it will affect the ants directly rather than affect my view of them.

 

 

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#2 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted June 16 2020 - 5:20 AM

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Yeah, I don’t think it’ll be much of a problem for the ants, although it can be a pain for viewing. However, sometimes it goes away after being exposed to the heat mat for long enough.

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#3 Offline ArmyAntz - Posted June 16 2020 - 5:51 AM

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Okay thanks, I get really paranoid about these things. 



#4 Offline Broncos - Posted June 16 2020 - 5:54 AM

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My harvester ants get stuck on condensation. But they are terrible with water.

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Pogonomyrmex Californicus Bicolor & Concolor

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#5 Offline FSTP - Posted June 16 2020 - 5:57 AM

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It can be a bad thing depending one the ant size and if the queen housed still has wings. Small ants can get stuck and drown as well as queens with wings. 


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#6 Online ANTdrew - Posted June 16 2020 - 6:13 AM

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Keep the heat source as far away from the water as possible. Better yet, try putting the test tubes in a box and heating that. You want to avoid having the tubes differ significantly in temperature from the surrounding air.
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#7 Offline ArmyAntz - Posted June 16 2020 - 7:23 AM

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There's around a 12 degree or so difference between the room temperature and nests/tubes. Maybe I can keep my window open all day to heat up my room.

 

The nests are the real frustration. I can't tell if I'm over hydrating the nest because there's all that condensation.



#8 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 16 2020 - 7:31 AM

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I have had many colonies and founding queens killed by condensation. Then again, they were only in the 1-4mm range. I would be careful.

Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#9 Online ANTdrew - Posted June 16 2020 - 7:33 AM

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What kind of formicariums are they in? Perhaps repositioning the heat pad would help or using something more localized like a heat cable. Can you possibly heat a closet of some sort?
"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#10 Offline NickAnter - Posted June 16 2020 - 7:38 AM

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I need to make a shoe box incubator. I have them on a heating cable, and the ones that were killed were in test tube, or snap cap vials filled with dirt.


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#11 Offline ArmyAntz - Posted June 16 2020 - 7:50 AM

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Its a flat acrylic nests, similar to the Ants Australia ones where a sponge absorbs and distributes the water. 

 

The heat pad is underneath the nest, but separated by a cardboard piece so its not in direct contact. I only have one room to work with unfortunately and I can't have it being too warm.



#12 Online ANTdrew - Posted June 16 2020 - 8:22 AM

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Perhaps try raising the nest up a bit more on some blocks or bottle caps to put more space between the heat and nest.
"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#13 Offline ArmyAntz - Posted June 16 2020 - 8:59 AM

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I will try doing that, thanks.



#14 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted June 18 2020 - 3:02 PM

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Yeah I was about to say I lost a Pogonomyrmex queen to condensation. Unfortunately I had been trying a kind of hybrid dirt-in-formicarium approach, and the dirt brought her too close to the condensation. It was a real bummer.

 

Generally with tubes heating an inch away from the water in the nest portion isn't bad.

I actually like fine-droplet condensation for some set-ups as it provides plenty of drinking water. But if it forms huge droplets and the ants have to travel near it, then it's a definite NO for me.


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