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#1 Offline Barristan - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:11 AM

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Hi,
 
I was quite shocked to see that AntsCanda keeps non-native species, just watch:
 
 
ants canada basil

 

Are you serious AntsCanada? Basil is non-native to the Philippines.
 
What if the seeds spread and make it to the outside? Or even worse what if he decides to release this ant colony and dump the soil together with the basil plants somewhere in the wild?
Basil plants could become an invasive species and spread like wildfire and eliminate native plants.
 
And even if the plant won't become invasive there are countless plant pests that might be transmitted to native flora and weaken the whole ecosystem.
 
AntsCanada should really listen to all the scientists who condemn keeping non-native species.
 
I'm 100% sure not a single myrmecologist or lesser ant keeper who is against keeping non-native ant species has non-native plants in his house or garden because they now that most invasive ant species were introduced by the soil of plants.

Edited by Barristan, April 16 2020 - 11:12 AM.

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#2 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:19 AM

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This is an honest question; is this sarcastic?


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I accidentally froze all my ants 


#3 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:20 AM

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Non native plants? I can hear AntDrew screaming from here.


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#4 Offline Barristan - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:21 AM

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Maybe I'll provide a little bit of extra information about myself:

I keep non-native exotic ant species and also sell them.

 

I guess this is enough to decide if I mean it sarcastically or not  :D


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#5 Offline Da_NewAntOnTheBlock - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:29 AM

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we need to get this thread out of here before ANTdrew explodes...


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#6 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted April 16 2020 - 11:42 AM

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we need to get this thread out of here before ANTdrew explodes...

He's in my backyard wearing sackcloth....


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I accidentally froze all my ants 


#7 Offline ANTdrew - Posted April 16 2020 - 12:09 PM

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Nah, man. I’m not a fundamentalist. We have basil in our garden along with other non-natives. Pollinators actually love herb flowers.
The real native plant fundamentalists actually only grow local-ecotype natives aka plants only grown from local seeds. I highly doubt monarchs care where their milkweed originated, honestly.

Edited by ANTdrew, April 16 2020 - 12:10 PM.

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#8 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 16 2020 - 1:03 PM

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AC keeping non-natives? Hmm.......... I wonder where I’ve heard that one before.............
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

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#9 Offline ponerinecat - Posted April 16 2020 - 1:44 PM

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*cough cough geminata*


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#10 Offline AntsExodus - Posted May 1 2020 - 6:41 PM

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Lol he's growing the basil to eat them he says that in his blogs.



#11 Offline BugFinder - Posted May 1 2020 - 6:52 PM

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It's really not a big deal to keep non-natives, especially if they can be collected locally.  The problem is releasding them - we shoudn't be doing that.


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#12 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted May 1 2020 - 6:55 PM

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I keep Tetramorium. Besides: that invasive queen  random person X caught might have (unlikely, but just might have) established a colony which would have destroyed more native nests, and therefore could possibly (very small chance, but still possibly) be saving some natives.


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

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#13 Offline BugFinder - Posted May 1 2020 - 7:15 PM

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I keep Tetramorium. Besides: that invasive queen  random person X caught might have (unlikely, but just might have) established a colony which would have destroyed more native nests, and therefore could possibly (very small chance, but still possibly) be saving some natives.

 

Collecting it or crushing it between your fingers would have the same impact on the local fauna and flora.


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#14 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted May 1 2020 - 8:34 PM

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I don't mind people keeping non-natives. Just don't EVER release them.
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#15 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 2 2020 - 2:48 AM

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This is a joke thread about native and non-native plants.
Honestly, though, who can explain to me the difference between squishing an invasive queen undefoot vs removing her unnaturally from the breeding pool to live indoors in a sealed formicarium, never to be released again?
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#16 Offline Serafine - Posted May 2 2020 - 4:38 AM

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AC has kept non-native animals before. He actually kept a bearded dragon - an animal not native to the Phillipines and absolutely not built for humid climate (they regularly get respiratory infections when kept in humid conditions) - while he made a Youtube video crapping all over keepers of exotic ants, even attempting to divide the antkeeping community into "team native" and "team exotic". Hypocrisy at it's best.

His Tarantula isn't native either (well, at least it's from Asia) and neither were most of his fish (and their aquarium plants).

 

I'd also advise to not make fun of non-native plants because there are in fact invasive plants that have caused or are causing MASSIVE issues in places where they shouldn't be - Caulerpa taxifola water pest anyone? Water hyacinth?

California is still fighting the Tamarix tree that was introduced in the 18th century as a wood resource, it took two centuries for it to become an issue - today this tree is evaporating more water than all californian cities combined and causes soil salination that makes the ground uninhabitable for most other plants, including agricultural ones. It is very effectively destroying useable land permanently and removing it is extremely difficult and costly.

 

Also plants can actually change to a MUCH larger degree than animals can even dream of - the european mullein/verbascum in it's native habitat is a single-year small herbaceous plant - fairly insignifcant and easy to overlook. In Hawaii - a biome completely different from it's natural temperate habitat it turned into a multiyear plant, it developed wooden stems (something it doesn't have in Europe at all) and it now grows to giant height in thick bushy patches, completely occupying street sides and hillslides, pushing out all other plants.

 

The thing with plants is that they don't instantly establish themselves in a new place - they usually require 100-250 years before they are actually able to spontaneously grow in the wild (water plants seem to adapt much faster for some reason), so the issue of potentially invasive plants is mostly ignored in countries where it isn't already a huge problem. Most of our established garden plants are just making this "jump over the fence" right now. Berlin is one of the Epicenters, exotic plants and trees from Asia and America (like Robinia trees) are taking over the inner city and it's suburbs. There is a massive influx of garden plants and "decorative" trees into european ecosystems looming on the horizon and it will be a sight to behold when it finally unfolds.


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#17 Offline Temperateants - Posted May 2 2020 - 5:36 AM

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#18 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 2 2020 - 8:29 AM

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I, for one, am definitely not joking about non-native plants. The situation is probably far worse over on this side of the pond with most natural areas totally overtaken by English ivy, pear trees, Ailanthus, and various Eurasian Loniceras.
I’m the scorn of my neighborhood and even my wife because my yard is full of NATIVE plants that grow taller than six inches and spread freely. As long as I pay the mortgage here, my yard will be NATIVE, and my neighbor’s can go to hell for all I care. It takes a ton of work to keep my yard looking so wild, actually.
I’ve also volunteered lots of hours at invasive plant removal events.
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#19 Offline BugFinder - Posted May 2 2020 - 10:08 AM

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AC has kept non-native animals before. He actually kept a bearded dragon - an animal not native to the Phillipines and absolutely not built for humid climate (they regularly get respiratory infections when kept in humid conditions) - while he made a Youtube video crapping all over keepers of exotic ants, even attempting to divide the antkeeping community into "team native" and "team exotic". Hypocrisy at it's best.

His Tarantula isn't native either (well, at least it's from Asia) and neither were most of his fish (and their aquarium plants).

 

 

 

That's a good point.  It's also worthy to point out that the Philipines, being a set of small tropical islands, is much more likely to be harmed by keep an exotic animal than the ecosystem in North America, which is much larger, much more variable geogrpahy/habitat/climate, and a much more stable ecosystem, already inundated with all manner of exotic species.


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