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Solenopsis molesta inbreeding


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#1 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 10:14 AM

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A couple years ago, I came across a wild colony in my yard. What surprised me was the fact that it had dozens and dozens of queens, and thousands (if not tens of thousands) of workers. I counted around 60 queens, but it could very well be closer to 100. I had no idea so many queens could found a colony together. However, after reading https://www.formicul...olesta-journal/, it all made sense. These ants breed in the nest! And Mdrogun caught it on film:

 

Well, everybody, 5 queens has quickly turned into over 15 queens. I caught this species breeding in the nest multiple times, and I caught it on video, too   :yahoo: . This explains a lot about the species. The queens' notoriously short life spans, etc. Here is a video showing their brood and queen progress. They are really exploding. I wonder if the need for higher egg production has triggered the nest breeding that I experienced in my colony. Here is a video showing everything I captured:

 

What kind of nest do you have them in?

They used to be in a Aus ants size 02 acrylic nest. I recently moved them into a Tarheelants Antblock, as they required more space. couldn't of come at a better time, the new nest allows better viewing   :)

 

I believe this to be the first documented case of Solenopsis molesta mating in the nest. Please correct me if I am wrong   :yow:  . I notice that the workers will assist the male and guide him towards a queen. After that, they back off, and the male does what males do   :lol: . They do struggle a bit tho, breeding appears difficult. After he does his business, he dies fairly quickly. The queen then is assisted by the workers in removing her wings. 

 

In my opinion, this species is better than AC's Fire Nation and Dark Knights. It has a little of both, plus it's unique thieving behavior. Not to mention it's a native!


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#2 Offline zantezaint - Posted April 14 2020 - 10:24 AM

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As they say, "Keep it in the family."


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4 x Solenopsis xyloni (Fire ant) colonies.

2 x Veromessor andrei (Seed-harvester ant) colonies.

19 x Pogonomyrmex subnitidus (Seed-harvester ant) colonies + 3 x Pogonomyrmex (ID uncertain) colonies

16 x Linepithema humile (Argentine ant) colonies.

1 x Unknown Formicidae colony.

1 x Tapinoma sessile (Odorous house ant) colony.

1 x Camponotus fragilis (Carpenter/wood ant) colony + 1 x Camponotus sansabeanus (Carpenter/wood ant) colony.

1 x Solenopsis molesta (Thief ant) colony.


#3 Offline Temperateants - Posted April 14 2020 - 10:26 AM

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But can these ants also eat normal food? Does a keeper HAVE to get antbrood for them?


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#4 Offline NickAnter - Posted April 14 2020 - 10:50 AM

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No, they eat normal food.


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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 


#5 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 10:53 AM

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They also eat seeds. They'll eat about anything in terms of protein and table scraps, including butter (I have no idea why  :lol: ). Yet they don't seem to like sugary foods as much as most other ants.


Edited by AntsDakota, April 14 2020 - 10:56 AM.

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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#6 Offline anttics - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:16 PM

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I did not see a single major. Selenopsis have major workers.

#7 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:21 PM

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I did not see a single major. Selenopsis have major workers.

molesta do not have majors. You are thinking of invicta, geminata, and xyloni. Most Solenopsis are tiny and monomorphic, like molesta.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#8 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:29 PM

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Invicta have majors? Thought it was only geminata. Never knew.



#9 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:33 PM

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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#10 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:40 PM

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I did not see a single major. Selenopsis have major workers.

molesta do not have majors. You are thinking of invicta, geminata, and xyloni. Most Solenopsis are tiny and monomorphic, like molesta.

 

You are forgetting Solenopsis richteri and Solenopsis invicta x richteri.


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#11 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 12:46 PM

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True, but other than that, there really aren't many larger red 'fire ant' species.


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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#12 Offline Canadant - Posted April 14 2020 - 2:58 PM

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How did you count that many queens? Did you open the nest or dig it up? Just wondering your procedure. I would love to find a wild colony but I can never find a queen.
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#13 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 3:17 PM

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How did you count that many queens? Did you open the nest or dig it up? Just wondering your procedure. I would love to find a wild colony but I can never find a queen.

I captured a portion of the colony.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#14 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 4:04 PM

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This also explains the queens’ ridiculously short life span of 1-2 years; they always have replacements!

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#15 Offline FeedTheAnts - Posted April 14 2020 - 4:12 PM

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Really cool! This kinda makes me want to collect some queens this year when nuptial flights come around.


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I accidentally froze all my ants 


#16 Offline Otter - Posted April 14 2020 - 7:36 PM

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Hey, I actually have a relatively similar colony to the one in the video lol, heres a video:

The egg laying rate of the colony seems to have slowed, I think it is because the workers can't collect food fast enough to keep up with the demand. I feed them mealworms as well, not sure how to quote the person above be asking about them needing ant brood.
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#17 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 18 2020 - 4:08 PM

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Here's a couple photos I found online which accurately demonstrate the amazing color variations in the queens:

 

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A physogastric queen:

 

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Edited by AntsDakota, April 18 2020 - 4:09 PM.

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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#18 Offline ForestDragon - Posted May 18 2020 - 8:15 AM

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I might want to get some of these this year, time to buy a blacklight


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#19 Offline ANTdrew - Posted May 18 2020 - 1:41 PM

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I’d definitely like finding these this year. I love tiny ants.
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