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Pogonomyrmex misidentification?!


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#1 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:51 PM

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I recently received two P. occidentalis queens from UtahAntShop. Yet today when I was feeding them I observed that one queen was slightly larger than the other. Could she be a larger species such as P. barbatus?

 

 

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Location of Collection: unspecified location in the southwestern U.S.

Current Date: 3/7/2020

 

 

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Location of Collection: Unspecified location in the southwestern U.S.

Date of Collection: Date of collection unknown.

Habitat of collection: Habitat of collection unknown.

Length: 9 millimeters.

Coloration: Mostly red; semi-translucent bright orange strip a mm or so from the tip of the gaster; black wing scars; mandibles and area of head almost up to eyes is black.

Distinguishing characteristics: mandibles and head are slightly larger than that of the smaller queen; gaster is noticeably larger than that of the smaller queen.

Anything else distinctive: N/A

Nest description: Nest description is unavailable. 

Nuptial flight time and date: Nuptial flight time and date is unknown.

Photos: I apologize for the poor quality of these photos. They were the best I could do through the glare, condensation, and iPad camera.

Note: The queen on the right is the larger queen which I am attempting to identify.

 

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Edited by AntsDakota, March 7 2020 - 3:51 PM.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#2 Offline ponerinecat - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:54 PM

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Size is extremely variable. Bigger or smaller does not mean different species. We really can't tell without better pics, but I'm pretty sure that's occi.


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#3 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 7 2020 - 3:56 PM

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Alright, thanks. I'm probably just being paranoid.


"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#4 Offline gcsnelling - Posted March 7 2020 - 4:06 PM

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I wouldn't sweat it, but at the same time there is no guarantee they know what they are talking about.


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#5 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted March 7 2020 - 4:46 PM

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Isn't that a lot of seeds? I feel like they might be crowded.(sometimes i feel like i should stop commenting on species i have never kept, as i am probably wrong in this case :D)


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#6 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 7 2020 - 6:49 PM

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They seem fine with it. The larger queen drug all the seeds into a nest little pile close to the cotton.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#7 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 7 2020 - 6:55 PM

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I wouldn't sweat it, but at the same time there is no guarantee they know what they are talking about.

Yeah, that’s what I thought at first too.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#8 Offline jcisopodgang - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:00 AM

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I know this topic is old but starting ur Pogonomyrmex in bare test tubes isn't the best idea, they have a huge trouble with climbing glass so providing sand or dirt is better, they thrive in dirt setups naturally.


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#9 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:39 AM

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I actually had a layer of substrate at the bottom of the tube.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#10 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 30 2020 - 8:40 AM

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And these queens were killed by the Aspergillus fungus, so it wouldn’t really matter now..........

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#11 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 30 2020 - 2:56 PM

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If the first mandibular tooth is pointing upward towards the clypeus, it's occidentalis.




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