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Hey, so what do you guys think is the best source of protein for ants?


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#41 Offline rbarreto - Posted March 11 2020 - 9:20 AM

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Superworms are great!
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#42 Offline Thunder_Birds - Posted March 11 2020 - 9:31 AM

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Awesome, thanks for the tip!


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#43 Offline aznphenom - Posted April 3 2020 - 10:04 PM

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Meat in general (like mammal or bird) is surprisingly effective.


Cooked or raw? I’m looking for something new to try with my ants. Fruit flies aren’t providing enough protein for them.
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#44 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 4 2020 - 3:04 AM

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With meats, boiled is best. Whenever my wife makes a soup, I pull bits off whatever meat is in it for my colonies. Small bits of meat dry rock hard in an amazingly short period of time, though.
"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#45 Offline ConcordAntman - Posted April 4 2020 - 3:59 AM

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Helpful thread. Two questions, are any of you concerned about potential insecticide or microbial contamination of your colonies from wild caught feeder insects? Also, any concerns about mite contamination from pet store bought feeder insects over those bought from an insect farm distributor like Rainbow? It would sure be cheaper to catch critters outside but where I live there are 3 farms within spitting distance. All three use fertilizer and some (minimal) insecticides so I’ve avoided home-caught feeders. 


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#46 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 4 2020 - 5:28 AM

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I’ve been feeding all my colonies wild caught arthropods for years now with no issues. I even think this is one of the keys to my success. That said, you definitely don’t want to collect anything near agriculture. Sadly, hyper-manicured Chemlawn/Trugreen neighbors are probably far worse even than agriculture.

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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#47 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 4 2020 - 5:32 AM

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I’ve been feeding all my colonies wild caught arthropods for years now with no issues. I even think this is one of the keys to my success. That said, you definitely don’t want to collect anything near agriculture. Sadly, hyper-manicured Chemlawn/Trugreen neighbors are probably far worse even than agriculture, too.

Same here. I mostly feed mine flies of all types and mosquitoes, which they love.........
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

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#48 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 4 2020 - 5:37 AM

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I actually try to avoid collecting flying things because there’s no telling how far away they’ve been and what they’ve been exposed to. I like terrestrial things like grubs, termites, earwigs, and wild roaches.
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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
Keep ordinary ants in extraordinary ways.

#49 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 4 2020 - 5:39 AM

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True, although earwigs are the only things on that list I can at least somewhat collect, although they’re quite uncommon. The rest don’t exist in my yard or anywhere else around.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#50 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 4 2020 - 6:24 AM

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Crickets are a good bet for me, too, once it warms up.
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"The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer." Prov. 30:25
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#51 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted April 4 2020 - 6:26 AM

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I could catch a couple, but I couldn’t catch them consistently enough to feed all my colonies.

"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis


#52 Offline ConcordAntman - Posted April 4 2020 - 12:01 PM

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Well, my Dubia roaches have arrived. The girls will get some different food today. What about local pet store vs farm distributor mite question?


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#53 Offline FSTP - Posted April 5 2020 - 3:11 AM

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I usually use the typical protein most people feed thier ants. Crickets, meal worms, fruit flies, blood worms. 

 

But recently I started a colony of "Little Kenyan" roaches. I must say I love these things. They stay small maxing out at about .5 inches. The nymphs are small enough to be a fruit fly replacement. They don't breed so fast that my ants can't keep up with the supply. If any escape they're not a pest risk as they need some humidity and would just end up desiccating. They can't crawl up smooth surfaces, they can't fly. the males only have small vestigial wings. They don't smell. I think they are just about the perfect feeder. Also for those that may be put off by the sight of a roach they don't look like typical roaches either. They look more like a cross between a small beetle and an isopod. I have mine housed in damp cypress bark and feed them vegetable scraps. All my ants love them. 

 

 

I can't recommend them enough. Anyone else keeping Little Kenyan Roaches Blaberidae sp. ? I'll make a seperate thread on how I care for them soon. 


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#54 Offline Temperateants - Posted April 5 2020 - 6:52 AM

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I like fruit flies, because my ants are more comfortable with things they can drag back to their nesting area. Going with this logic, baby mealworms would most likely be favourable. In addition, fruit fly maggots are also great. Going on the discussion about the wild caught species, would maggots that grow in my compost be good? Going off of what Antdrew said, these grubs are terrestrial and spend their whole life in the compost.


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#55 Offline Broncos - Posted April 5 2020 - 9:51 AM

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I use fruit flies, dubia roaches, mealworms, and crickets. Also some protein jelly and Nurbs' bloodworm soup!


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#56 Offline Canadant - Posted April 12 2020 - 3:27 PM

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Haha! Flies are welcome in my home. But BEWARE you may end up in the Pit of Carkoon. Muhahahahahha! (That's my evil laugh).

House flies are great!
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#57 Online ANTdrew - Posted April 13 2020 - 3:07 AM

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I like fruit flies, because my ants are more comfortable with things they can drag back to their nesting area. Going with this logic, baby mealworms would most likely be favourable. In addition, fruit fly maggots are also great. Going on the discussion about the wild caught species, would maggots that grow in my compost be good? Going off of what Antdrew said, these grubs are terrestrial and spend their whole life in the compost.

I think the maggots should be fine. I feed stuff from my compost bin from time to time, including the teeming fruitflies. I just clap my hands and get fivd or six that way.
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#58 Offline Serafine - Posted April 13 2020 - 3:15 AM

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There is no one best food. Most ants prefer a diverse diet, some even need it.

The more different arthropods you can feed the better. Many ants will also eat stuff like wet cat food, minced meat, ham and shrimps (those are particularly good to provide them with salt).


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#59 Offline Thunder_Birds - Posted April 13 2020 - 10:09 AM

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Haha! Flies are welcome in my home. But BEWARE you may end up in the Pit of Carkoon. Muhahahahahha! (That's my evil laugh).

House flies are great!

Crickets are a good bet for me, too, once it warms up.

Yeah, Crickets and flies are great. Pretty much all colonies like these.


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