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Bees could be getting dumber thanks to pesticides

Started By OhNoNotAgain , Mar 4 2020 11:20 AM

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#1 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted March 4 2020 - 11:20 AM

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Pesticides impair the development of baby bee brains....

 

Seriously, though, we KNOW neonicotinoids are very harmful to bees, and yet we keep using them??

 

https://phys.org/new...-bee-brain.html


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Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus (inactive)

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and californicus (inactive)

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.

#2 Offline ForestDragon - Posted March 4 2020 - 12:55 PM

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pesticides and herbicides need to stop being used period... there are better alternate ways... especially roundup i hate that stuff... SUPERWEEEDS


#3 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted March 4 2020 - 1:33 PM

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How about we raise pest insects and plants as staple foods instead of normal crops?  :lol:

 

(sarcasm)


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#4 Offline ForestDragon - Posted March 4 2020 - 2:27 PM

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How about we raise pest insects and plants as staple foods instead of normal crops?  :lol:

 

(sarcasm)

i would like one superweed salad with thistle leaves please... i like the crunch of the needles on the palette of my mouth


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#5 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 4 2020 - 3:13 PM

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RIFA farms would make a fortune. And they’d take up way less space.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#6 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 4 2020 - 3:15 PM

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pesticides and herbicides need to stop being used period... there are better alternate ways... especially roundup i hate that stuff... SUPERWEEEDS

Roundup is not known to cause damage to any fauna whatsoever. If you look closely all websites say "may" and it is far safer than it's predecessors. Previous weed killers killed all organisms. And herbiscides are necessary for farming as we know it. It is simply far too impractical to not use it whatsoever. However, limiting its use, and using it properly should of course be important.
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Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#7 Offline RushmoreAnts - Posted March 4 2020 - 3:25 PM

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Yeah! The neighbors almost killed some of our nice ornamental grass landscaping with their weed killer! Fortunately it grew back, though.
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"God made..... all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds (including ants). And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:25 NIV version

 

Keeping:

Tetramorium immigrans

Formica cf. pallidefulva, cf. incerta, cf. argentea

Formica cf. aserva, cf. subintegra

Pheidole bicarinata

Myrmica sp.

Lasius neoniger, brevicornis

#8 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted March 5 2020 - 7:45 AM

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pesticides and herbicides need to stop being used period... there are better alternate ways... especially roundup i hate that stuff... SUPERWEEEDS

Roundup is not known to cause damage to any fauna whatsoever. If you look closely all websites say "may" and it is far safer than it's predecessors. Previous weed killers killed all organisms. And herbiscides are necessary for farming as we know it. It is simply far too impractical to not use it whatsoever. However, limiting its use, and using it properly should of course be important.

 

 

Actually glyphosate DOES have effects, multi-generational even. The studies probably use very high doses, but who knows what smaller cumulative doses are doing?

 

"Epigenetic transgenerational inheritance involves the germline (sperm or egg) mediated inheritance of epigenetic information between generations that leads to pathologies or phenotypic variation in the absence of continued direct exposures....

Over 40% of the F3 generation glyphosate lineage females (2-fold increase) developed disease and abnormalities when compared to the controls." 

(Also stuff affecting males, too. That was just one tiny excerpt. SCARY part is I believe only the FIRST generation was exposed. Not F3.)

 

 

https://www.nature.c...598-019-42860-0

 

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"The transgenerational F3 generation great-grand-offspring males had increased prostate disease, obesity, and single disease frequencies, while females had increased ovarian disease, kidney disease, parturition abnormalities, and multiple disease susceptibility, Figs 1 and 2."


Edited by OhNoNotAgain, March 5 2020 - 7:48 AM.

Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus (inactive)

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and californicus (inactive)

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.

#9 Offline TheMicroPlanet - Posted March 5 2020 - 12:31 PM

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RIFA farms would make a fortune. And they’d take up way less space.

Raising ants for food could be a whole new market!

 

(again, sarcasm. just gotta be careful)


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#10 Offline NickAnter - Posted March 5 2020 - 2:59 PM

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Exactly, these incredibly small doses that insects would receive, are in the field of unknown. But, just because something is unknown, does that mean it is wrong? Now, if there was substantial evidence that it was harmful to organisms in the Kingdom Animalia in small amounts, then I would be all for severe control. However, there is not, so.....


Hi there! I went on a 6 month or so hiatus, in part due, and in part cause of the death of my colonies. 

However, I went back to the Sierras, and restarted my collection, which is now as follows:

Aphaenogaster uinta, Camponotus vicinus, Camponotus modoc, Formica cf. aserva, Formica cf. micropthalma, Formica cf. manni, Formica subpolita, Formica cf. subaenescens, Lasius americanus, Manica invidia, Pogonomyrmex salinus, Pogonomyrmex sp. 1, Solenopsis validiuscula, & Solenopsis sp. 3 (new Sierra variant). 

#11 Offline OhNoNotAgain - Posted March 7 2020 - 9:43 AM

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Exactly, these incredibly small doses that insects would receive, are in the field of unknown. But, just because something is unknown, does that mean it is wrong? Now, if there was substantial evidence that it was harmful to organisms in the Kingdom Animalia in small amounts, then I would be all for severe control. However, there is not, so.....

 

More responding to "Roundup is not known to cause damage to any fauna whatsoever." (Emphasis mine.)

Is it better than stuff that came before it? Who knows, maybe.

Does it need control? Obviously.

Severe control? I would tend to err on the side of caution. I'm thinking a lot of problems we are seeing lately in humans are kind of weird. I don't know if glyphosate is a factor, but given the potential for epigenetic effects, it wouldn't hurt to be careful.


Edited by OhNoNotAgain, March 7 2020 - 9:43 AM.

Formiculture Journals::

Veromessor pergandei, andrei; Novomessor cockerelli

Camponotus fragilis; also separate journal: Camponotus sansabeanus (inactive), vicinus, laevigatus/quercicola

Liometopum occidentale;  Prenolepis imparis; Myrmecocystus mexicanus (inactive)

Pogonomyrmex subnitidus and californicus (inactive)

Tetramorium sp.

Termites: Zootermopsis angusticollis

 

Isopods: A. gestroi, granulatum, kluugi, maculatum, vulgare; C. murina; P. hoffmannseggi, P. haasi, P. ornatus; V. parvus

Spoods: Phidippus sp.

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