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#161 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted February 23 2021 - 7:37 AM

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I'm sure it's still mostly accurate, but that is from more than a century ago.



#162 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted February 23 2021 - 9:14 AM

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I'm sure it's still mostly accurate, but that is from more than a century ago.

no one in the recent times has dedicated their live to formica, so that is all we have to rely on. if only some one will...


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#163 Offline Canadant - Posted February 23 2021 - 10:14 AM

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Lovin' this natural style formicarium. Do you keep it covered/sheathed?
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#164 Offline ANTdrew - Posted February 23 2021 - 10:34 AM

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I actually decided not to cover it this time around because they freaked out more when I used to take off their cover. I think it's pretty shaded in their chambers as is, plus I really enjoy seeing the tunnels form. They are working around the clock!


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#165 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted February 23 2021 - 12:03 PM

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Kael, for a lot of Eastern F. fusca-group species color does actually seem to play a significant role in IDing them. I know, kinda opposite from most ants, but that's just the way it is, lol.


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#166 Offline ANTdrew - Posted February 25 2021 - 5:57 AM

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Update 2-25-2021

 

I'm really pleased with this setup so far. There is always something to watch, and the ants are living out their natural behaviors. Their digging continues around the clock and so do my daily soil vacuuming efforts. The springtails are really thriving and they seem to be living in peace with the ants. I see several of them down in their chambers at all times now. I'm really looking forward to when the eggs hatch, which may be next week at some point.

 

Here's a GIF of one of the workers expanding a new tunnel. :)

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#167 Offline Kaelwizard - Posted February 25 2021 - 6:07 AM

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Kael, for a lot of Eastern F. fusca-group species color does actually seem to play a significant role in IDing them. I know, kinda opposite from most ants, but that's just the way it is, lol.

I see. I should have remembered from when I was keying out my Formica as color seemed to play a role in their ID as well.


Update 2-25-2021

 

I'm really pleased with this setup so far. There is always something to watch, and the ants are living out their natural behaviors. Their digging continues around the clock and so do my daily soil vacuuming efforts. The springtails are really thriving and they seem to be living in peace with the ants. I see several of them down in their chambers at all times now. I'm really looking forward to when the eggs hatch, which may be next week at some point.

 

Here's a GIF of one of the workers expanding a new tunnel. :)

I'm going to have to do a natural set up sometime. It's just really satisfying to watch them dig.


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#168 Offline ANTdrew - Posted February 25 2021 - 6:16 AM

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I highly recommend it. The setup cost me about $20 to make. In a typical formicarium, you can only observe feeding and brood care, but with a setup like this, you can see a whole new set of nest creation behaviors. You can also see the symbiosis with the clean-up crew springtails.
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#169 Offline Ants_Dakota - Posted February 25 2021 - 7:58 AM

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Kael, for a lot of Eastern F. fusca-group species color does actually seem to play a significant role in IDing them. I know, kinda opposite from most ants, but that's just the way it is, lol.

I see. I should have remembered from when I was keying out my Formica as color seemed to play a role in their ID as well.


Update 2-25-2021

 

I'm really pleased with this setup so far. There is always something to watch, and the ants are living out their natural behaviors. Their digging continues around the clock and so do my daily soil vacuuming efforts. The springtails are really thriving and they seem to be living in peace with the ants. I see several of them down in their chambers at all times now. I'm really looking forward to when the eggs hatch, which may be next week at some point.

 

Here's a GIF of one of the workers expanding a new tunnel. :)

I'm going to have to do a natural set up sometime. It's just really satisfying to watch them dig.

 

the whole reason i got into ants is because of spending hours watching them dig. i really want to see that happen more, so i will for sure try this in the future.


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#170 Offline Canadian anter - Posted February 25 2021 - 10:54 AM

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I agree on the F. subsericea ID.

 

If it changes anything, the F. argentea queens I usually see are 13mm+


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#171 Offline AnthonyP163 - Posted February 25 2021 - 11:51 AM

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I agree on the F. subsericea ID.

 

If it changes anything, the F. argentea queens I usually see are 13mm+

I see positively identified subsericea reaching similar sizes, it amazes me how big they can. 

 

I too agree that this is likely subsericea, but unless we get microscopic photos, we can't completely rule out the possibility of argentea. Antdrew, I have a cheap USB microscope (cheap for microscopes, that is) that works wonderfully for these things. It's what I use to ID all of my ants, including incredibly small ones, and it comes with a decent software. They've stopped making them, but there's still a few being sold in some places. Here's the link.

 

Anyway, sorry to continue that and add more to the thread. I love the dirt setup and I've been following the journal for a while, good luck and may the colony explode this year!


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#172 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 4 2021 - 9:06 AM

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Update 3-4-2021

 

Plot twist! It turns out that TennesseeAntDude's suspicions were right all along: these are NOT Formica argentea. I mailed him three dead workers this week in a padded envelope, and he was kind enough to key these out to be:

 

                     Formica subsericea :newrussian:

 

It's still an awesome colony, and they are doing really well with quite a few fat new larvae now. I expect a surge in population soon.

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#173 Offline antsandmore - Posted March 4 2021 - 9:16 AM

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Update 3-4-2021

 

Plot twist! It turns out that TennesseeAntDude's suspicions were right all along: these are NOT Formica argentea. I mailed him three dead workers this week in a padded envelope, and he was kind enough to key these out to be:

 

                     Formica subsericea :newrussian:

 

It's still an awesome colony, and they are doing really well with quite a few fat new larvae now. I expect a surge in population soon.

Still awesome of course!!! You probably feel way better knowing the true Identity of these ants.


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#174 Offline Canadant - Posted March 5 2021 - 5:30 AM

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The face only a mother could love! Thanks to TennesseeAntDude - Such a cool community.
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#175 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 5 2021 - 6:15 AM

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Update 3-5-2021

 

 This colony is getting close to a year old now. Things continue to go great in their FormicaFarm, and I'm not sure who likes it more, the ants or the springtails! Last night I gave the colony a chopped up mealworm I had flash boiled, and they had their biggest feeding response yet! The larvae down in their tunnels must be getting hungry.

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A bunch of workers came out to help haul off the worm segments. I never tire of watching them drag food down in their lair.
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The best news is that I spotted freshly spun cocoons down in their tunnels last night. They've only been on heat three weeks. :yahoo:

 


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#176 Offline TennesseeAnts - Posted March 5 2021 - 7:10 AM

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Congrats! Formica subsericea really do grow fast once they have an abundance of resources.



#177 Offline Canadant - Posted March 5 2021 - 7:34 AM

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I'm really digging this natural set up! It just seems so.... well... natural. A busy ant is a happy ant. Love the gif. Such a good ant to view - great size.
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#178 Offline tdlnx - Posted March 5 2021 - 11:05 AM

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I’m going to be paying even more attention to this journal now that I’m going to be keeping the same species.


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#179 Offline ANTdrew - Posted March 11 2021 - 8:02 AM

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Update 3-11-2021

 

It's pretty safe to say that this colony is thriving in their new FormicaFarm setup. Many pupae cocoons from the first batch of eggs are now visible in various spots throughout their tunnel network. Yesterday, I also spotted a new big clump of eggs. There are at least 20 in this mass, so when these eclose, the colony will be getting close to 80-90 workers. They should break 100 soon, hopefully! They are readily taking in protein now, and I am feeding them at least one mealworm, cricket, or wild caught earwig a day. They drag the food off in quick ninja stealth fashion, usually when I'm not watching.

 

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Really fun, spastic ants.

 


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#180 Offline Antcatcherpro3 - Posted March 11 2021 - 8:19 AM

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wow that's a lot of eggs. My queen of that same spieces just started to lay more eggs. Yours grows faster then mine.






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